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Gym Leader Signature Pokemon

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ChaosMage

Izit cuz I is black?
As Excadrill and Beartic both featured heavily in the latest episode, I got thinking about something. Throughout the show, the gym leaders have (for the most part) had the same pokemon as their game counterparts, while the signature pokemon is almost always the same or at least in the same evolution family. This is usually the biggest showcase that those pokemon will receive in the anime, and also very often the first time the species is featured.

Brock's Onix, Misty's Starmie, Lt Surge's Raichu, Sabrina's Abra/Kadabra, Erika's Gloom, Whitney's Miltank, Jasmine's Steelix, Pryce's Piloswine, Roxanne's Nosepass, Brawley's Makuhita/Hariyama, Flannery's Torkoal, Norman's Slaking, Roark's Cranidos/Rampardos, Maylene's Lucario, Fantina's Drifblim, Byron's Bastiodon, Candice's Abomasnow, Cilan's Pansage (plus Cress's Panpour and Chili's Pansear), Lenora's Watchog, Burgh's Leavanney and Drayden's Haxorus... one thing that all of them have in common is that you'd not seen any of these pokemon in a starring role in the anime until they first popped out of their owner's pokeballs.


We can excuse Faulkner's Pidgeot, Bugsy's Scyther, Morty's Gengar and Wattson's Magneton because they were from previous generations and would inevitably have appeared before Ash even went to the home region of their gym leader trainers.

There are a few exceptional cases though, where the signature pokemon differs from in the games or when the pokemon made its first appearance before the gym leader it is associated with (and wasn't from a previous generation);

-Koga didn't have a Venonat/Venomoth or a Golbat in the Generation 1 games. In Red and Blue, his signature pokemon were Muk and Weezing. He was later given them Gold and Silver, possibly influenced by the anime.
-Blaine used a Magmar in the show, unlike in Red and Blue, and didn't have an Arcanine or Rapidash. Presumably it had already been decided that Gary would have an Arcanine and Rapidash had appeared in a previous episode whereas Magmar had not. Magmar was also a more suitable choice for the volcano in the gym, and in Gold and Silver (and the remakes) Blaine was given a Magmar.
-Giovanni's Rhydon did appear under Team Rocket's control but got no particular focus and one had already appeared under the control of Blaine. Giovanni's signature anime pokemon in that episode was Mewtwo, and at any other time it is Persian we associate with him. He has never shown a particular preference for ground-types in the anime and few of his pokemon have ever appeared outside of that one episode.
-Chuck's main pokemon in the games was his Poliwrath. Poliwrath was instead his first of two, with Machoke being the second and more showcased of the two even though he didn't have a Machoke in the game and the Machop family was more associated with Bruno. All of these were Kanto pokemon regardless, so none would have debuted in this episode.
-Clair's signature pokemon was changed from Kingdra to Dragonair. Both had already debuted, although Dragonair had only appeared briefly in an episode which was banned in the west. I assume that this was done because the Dratini line is associated more than any other with the dragon-type and also because it would make more sense for Charizard to be brought back to battle a Dragonair than a Kingdra.
-Although Winona's team wasn't changed, her Swellow was made shiny to distinguish it from Ash's and it became her main pokemon. Her main pokemon in the games was Altaria, who had a smaller role in the anime. Altaria had already appeared in the show, but not in a long or major role.
-Both Solrock and Lunatone debuted (seperately) some time before the appearance of Liza and Tate
-Milotic had appeared before Juan's (it should be noted that Juan used a Kingdra in Emerald but he had Wallace's team in the anime instead of his own) but only briefly under the control of Robert, whose true significance would not be known until later.
-Gardenia's Roserade was the second that we saw. A filler episode featured Roserade not long before Gardenia's appeared.
-Crasher Wake's Floatzel was the second that we saw. It made a brief debut in a Ranger episode, presumably in reference to its useage as a swimming aid in those games.
-Volkner's Luxray wasn't the first that we saw, although as this one was right at the end of the saga (and no pokemon from Gen IV minus Porygon-Z and a few legendaries were left unfeatured by then) so it's understandable.



So out of 35 cases, we have 21 where the pokemon debuted with its gym leader. That's more than half of the time. However, we know that Clay's Excadrill won't be the first, Skyla's Swanna won't be the first and Brycen's Beartic won't be the first. So after Elesa's Zebstrika debut we won't have any more continuation this saga of what I consider something of a tradition for the anime. The signature pokemon of gym leaders are obviously chosen carefully, so I have a feeling that they won't have that uniqueness of being the first we see animated and that we'll have less to get excited about with each upcoming gym.

Or maybe that's just me. We still haven't seen Meinshao, Chendelure, Volcarona or Bisharp so at least there might still be the elites to keep this tradition up.
 

Eternal Darkness

Eternal Evil
Two things wrong. Possibly one.

Swanna hasn't debuted yet.

The other less important one is that Haxorus appeared in a dream first, not with Shaga.
 

rocky505

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Swanna was in one of the first 2 episodes!
 

wunderkind

Well-Known Member
If you go by Platinum, Volkner's signature is Electivire (although I think that may have appeared even earlier than Luxray >_> ). Plus, Emerald Wattson used Manectric, which I think works.

The big signature Pokemon thing though is that this is probably the first time where a main character would've already owned a Gym Leader's sig before they met (Ash did get a Torkoal, Flannery's sig, but not until after fighting her). With Iris was shown having an Excadrill really early in the season, there's almost no significance to Clay's Excadrill.

I actually had a theory that kinda fixed it, but it was disproved in the last episode. I thought that maybe if they went with Iris being a Leader in training, maybe her Excadrill was Clay's, and that he lent her it to train (explaining why it wouldn't obey her). But with the recent episode, it seems they both just happened to have one (unless they have something planned for that).
 

FairyWitch

Metroid Hunter
If you go for Clair in gold and silver version,

totally everyone knows kingdra is like her signature pokemon...its cool, and it like the best pokemon and hardest to beat on her team...I really like her so I hope everyone agrees on my theory....
 

KibaLG8

Well-Known Member since the DP Series.
I have the same trail of thought. It's more exciting for a Gym Leader's signature Pokemon to debut with their gym leader, for me that is. The first 3 Unova Gym Leader's Pokemon debuted with them(Pansage/sear/pour, Herdier, & Leavanny). From what it looks like, Zebstrika might debut with Elesa. And I am disappointed that the final half of the gym leaders will have their signature Pokemond debut already.


Two things wrong. Possibly one.

Swanna hasn't debuted yet.

The other less important one is that Haxorus appeared in a dream first, not with Shaga.

Swanna appeared in BW001 & then in the Gothitelle Episode(BW021).
 

Sapphire Kirby

Evaluation time!
I understand what you are getting at, and it is a shame that BW is debuting late game Pokemon like there's no tommorrow, but the anime is known for making up their own rules, so they can have a different Pokemon be the Gymleader's main attraction. Brycen's main Pokemon could be Cryogenal, and Clay could have a Krookodile or Sesmitoad instead of Krokorok and Palpitoad. As for Skyla...

Swanna appeared in BW001 & then in the Gothitelle Episode(BW021).

Swanna never had a staring role in either of those episodes, so Swanna can still be Skyla's main Pokemon and have an awesome battle.

This is one of the problems with BW sticking to only new mons. They try to advertise them all as fast as possible, so we're stuck with repeats. DP used old and new mons, so they could at least keep a few new ones near the end of the series.
 

ijea4444

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I don't think there's anything wrong with revealing gym leader's signature pokemon early on. For example in DP they waited till the end of DP to make Gallade's non-movie debut. It kind of makes it so they appear for only on episode in the saga and pretty much get blown over after their debut. Debuting them early at least secures they don't fade away for hundreds of episodes after their debut.

Some might think it ruins the novelty of debuting a brand new pokemon, but thats not always the case. The recent episode if anything makes the anticipation stronger because people see how powerful Beartic is. I remember in DP snover debuted a few episodes before the Candice battle and snover's battle wasn't damaged because of it. I know Snover isn't candice's main pokemon and thats what this topic is discussing, but my point is an early debut doesn't mean the leader's signature pokemon had to be downgraded because of it.
 

KibaLG8

Well-Known Member since the DP Series.
Of course. I should really rewatch some episodes sometimes...

If only you had the awesome memory I do... ^____^ No need to rewatch episodes.:p

Swanna never had a staring role in either of those episodes, so Swanna can still be Skyla's main Pokemon and have an awesome battle.

Swanna can still have a good battle don't get me wrong, but the Pokemon still did not debut with the gym leader which was my point. I'm curious as to how Excadrill will be played out, and if you think about it, Krokorok also debuted beforehand as well, and as for Palpitoad... yeah, hopefully Excadrill is still played out as a good main Pokemon for Clay.
 

GalladeRocks

Son of a Beach
Thank you, somebody else with my state of mind. I've always liked how most Gym Leader's debut their star Pokemon, or at least show it in its first major role, like Drayden and Haxorus. My personal prediction is this:

Excadrill is in a continuous major role, so I think that Clay's signature Pokemon will instead be Krookodile, Seismitoad, or perhaps even Golurk.

Beartic is in a potential recurring role. If Langely and Beartic continue to make semi-regular appearances, then I think that Brycen will use Vanilluxe as his signature Pokemon instead.

Swanna, although having had multiple appearances, hasn't really done much yet, so I think that it's still most likely for Skyla to keep Swanna as her signature Pokemon.
 

rocky505

Well-Known Member
Luxray wasn't Volkners sig pokemon Raichu was in the anime at least.
 

Nostalgic Hybrid

Judged By Username
Beartic is in a potential recurring role. If Langely and Beartic continue to make semi-regular appearances, then I think that Brycen will use Vanilluxe as his signature Pokemon instead.

I'm thinking Cryogonal instead as Trip has Vanillite, who is presumably going to go all the way.
 

FlyAsADunsparce

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Wattson's Signature Pokemon was Electrike/Manectric, not Magneton.

Also someone said Swanna didnt made its debut yey, but it debuted in like the first or second episode...
 

Grey Wind

Well-Known Member
They could possibly make Brycens signiture a Vanilluxe. Like in the games, Lenora had Herdier, and a Watchog as her sig, but in the Anime it was the other way around.
 

Graham Aker

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I'm interested in how strong they are going to portray Clay's Excadrill in comparison to Iris's. It'll probably just have a different moveset.
 

Cuddy

Cyndaquil Master
I'm interested in how strong they are going to portray Clay's Excadrill in comparison to Iris's. It'll probably just have a different moveset.
I was wondering how they will do with his Krokorok compare to the SG Krokorok.
 
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