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Gym Leaders and Elite Four Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

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diakyu

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The fact that cherens team is bland terrifies me. Gives me the feeling that they've got a killer strategy.
 

R_N

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The fact that cherens team is bland terrifies me. Gives me the feeling that they've got a killer strategy.
The dread strategy....of Work up!!!!

And also a probable lack of anything other than normal, dark, <starter> type moves to use against him.
 

Bardische

Elegance.
Patrat probably has: Hypnosis/Bite/Work Up
And Lillipup has: Work Up/Bite/Tackle/Lick (just to be a little annoying)

I dunno. It's just so...basic. (yeeeaaaahhhhhh...)
 

R_N

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Patrat probably has: Hypnosis/Bite/Work Up
And Lillipup has: Work Up/Bite/Tackle/Lick (just to be a little annoying)

I dunno. It's just so...basic. (yeeeaaaahhhhhh...)
Work Up/Bite/Detect/Bide

Work Up/Bite/Tackle/Odor Sleuth

Would seem about right
 

Bardische

Elegance.
Magnemite can have Thunder Wave/Supersonic/SonicBoom and Thundershock by level 17.

Let's see Whirlipede manage to Rollout five times lol.

Work Up/Bite/Detect/Bide

Work Up/Bite/Tackle/Odor Sleuth

Would seem about right
It's so bland though. I know he's like the Gym Leader for basic battles and such, but his Pokemon's moves leave a lot to be desired. Oh well, I guess this makes more sense.
 
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Lishus13

Poli-Spriter!
What is most frustrating about Cheren's team is that there is no wild card, no Pokemon that we have yet to see and were not expecting. If we look back to all the other 1st Gym Leaders (Brock, Faulkner, Roxanne, and Roark), they each had a Pokemon that was new and exciting to the player. (Onix, Pidgeotto, Nosepass, and Cranidos respectively). Even Cilan/Chili/Cress had an unforeseen type monkey that made it's first appearance in their hands.

Lillipup is only marginally more difficult to defeat than Patrat, and neither is especially challenging even with Work Up or other TM moves. I think Dunsparce would have been a really interesting addition to the end of the team (now that we know it's available in the first few routes). It's bulky enough to sponge some hits, but it's not overtly powerful enough to give the player too tough of a time.

Meh.
 

Ver-mont

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In what universe is Pidgeotto exciting
Well, it's... "different". At least in a way Lillipup is not. And well, it's really Falkner's signature... I mean, Lillipup is Cheren's ace Pokémon and it was used as the lead for the previous first Leaders...
 

Missingno. Master

Poison-type Trainer
In what universe is Pidgeotto exciting
In all fairness, Falkner's was underleveled.

Still, when are we gonna get a Normal-type specialist that actually uses dual-type Pokemon in the first match? Deerling? Bibarel? Girafarig? Any amount of Normal/Flying-types!
 

Lishus13

Poli-Spriter!
In the universe where it hasn't been exposed to the player beforehand. We're spoiled to know every Pokemon like the back of our hands, but a new player will find Pidgeotto exciting, unsual, and new.
 

R_N

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In the universe where it hasn't been exposed to the player beforehand. We're spoiled to know every Pokemon like the back of our hands, but a new player will find Pidgeotto exciting, unsual, and new.
In that case, players will find Lillipup exciting and new because it seems we don't head outside Sangi town before turning around and beating up Cheren.
The only things you'll see are Patrat & Purrloin
 

Lishus13

Poli-Spriter!
Yeah, you're right on that one. Kinda sucks since it was forced down our throat in BW1 (Bianca, Chili/Cress/Cilan, and Lenora all had one or an evolution, AND countless trainers).
 

V Faction

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Those last couple of posts: I agree with wholeheartedly.

Ultimately, it's what makes the Gym Leader battles memorable. The Normal-type hasn't been explored (edit: to clarify, the Unova Normal-type; prior Leaders are better examples), and yet here we are with the sequel to the most recent generation of games (a feat within itself) and the opportunity to give the players to face something unique is squandered. Now we'll have to wait even longer for that one chance to open up again. Worst part is, we don't know if it was an oversight or deliberate on Gamefreak's part to do what's been done.
 
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R_N

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Those last couple of posts: I agree with wholeheartedly.

Ultimately, it's what makes the Gym Leader battles memorable. The Normal-type hasn't been explored, and yet here we are with the sequel to the most recent generation of games (a feat within itself) and the opportunity to give the players to face something unique is squandered. Now we'll have to wait even longer for that one chance to open up again. Worst part is, we don't know if it was an oversight or deliberate on Gamefreak's part to do what's been done.
Almost certainly 100% deliberate

The fact his team is a lowered staged version of Lenora was probably intentional
 

TsukiMirage

Rikudou Master
Well Cheren's team is a little disappointing, but Homika having Whilipede was expected.
 

Maxim

Beyond repair
Alder's House in Sangi Town looks like a nice place for Gym Leader rematches, doesn't it?
 
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