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Gym Leaders and Elite Four Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

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munchlaxguy

The Rolling Thunder
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she does like exactly the same thing in BW2 that she does in BW1

arguably easier, since Flaaffy is vulnerable to Ground attacks
Well this time around I actually built a team so I had way more trouble(probably because my pignite was leading)I beat her with my Lucario mostly.
 

LizardonX

Banned
Burgh even on challenge mode was easy. Eviolite roggenrola cleaned house. Now is this team good enough for challenge mode elesa? I just cleared lostlorn.

Dewott 27
Braviary 26
Leavanny 26
Luvario 26
Magnemite 26
boldore 26
 

munchlaxguy

The Rolling Thunder
Burgh even on challenge mode was easy. Eviolite roggenrola cleaned house. Now is this team good enough for challenge mode elesa? I just cleared lostlorn.

Dewott 27
Braviary 26
Leavanny 26
Luvario 26
Magnemite 26
boldore 26

I would say this is good enough even on challenge mode although I have white 2 so I never got the hard mode of the game my Level 27 Lucario beat 2 of her 3 pokemon and Pignite finished her emolga.
 
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Excitable Boy

is a metaphor
How do you guys play challenge mode before beating the game?

Cheating, I think.

I'm just doing Normal, and Clay whooped me the first time. Then again, he also got a Metal Claw attack boost the first turn after being sent out that let him OHKO all of my remaining 'mons, so maybe that doesn't normally happen, I guess.
 

gliscor&yanmega

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Burgh even on challenge mode was easy. Eviolite roggenrola cleaned house. Now is this team good enough for challenge mode elesa? I just cleared lostlorn.

Dewott 27
Braviary 26
Leavanny 26
Luvario 26
Magnemite 26
boldore 26

Yah, Rock type vs Bug type, that's obviously not going to be a challenge. Burgh wasn't easy, you used an advantage which made it easier.

If you plan on using all six you probably will win.

How do you guys play challenge mode before beating the game?

Transfer Challenge Key to a game. Once Black 2 gets Challenge Key, it can send it to other Black 2 or White 2 at any point during that game play, even before you start the game.
 

Excitable Boy

is a metaphor
Burgh wasn't easy, you used an advantage which made it easier.

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it's how easy it is to exploit the advantage that determines boss difficulty

by that logic, every Pokemon boss not called GSC Janine is difficult by sheer virtue of being overleveled, irregardless of possible strategies you can use to defeat them
 

gliscor&yanmega

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it's how easy it is to exploit the advantage that determines boss difficulty

by that logic, every Pokemon boss not called GSC Janine is difficult by sheer virtue of being overleveled, irregardless of possible strategies you can use to defeat them

What exactly do you mean. All I'm saying is using type advantage isn't going to give you much of a challenge for a gym leader, and it's not because of the gym leader that they are easy but because of the choice of using a type advantage.
 

Excitable Boy

is a metaphor
What exactly do you mean. All I'm saying is using type advantage isn't going to give you much of a challenge for a gym leader, and it's not because of the gym leader that they are easy but because of the choice of using a type advantage.

You're saying, though, that Burgh wasn't easy, that he was just making him easy. Essentially, you're implying that Gym Leaders are difficult if you ignore basic strategy and game mechanics, because it is outright expected that players will use type advantages against Gym Leaders. That's kind of why GameFreak puts advantageous Pokemon in the area of every Gym: so you can use them.

Gym difficulty is really only decided based on how much of an advantage said strategy and mechanics give you, and how difficult it is to ab/use them. If you ignore strategy and game mechanics, then you could say that every Gym Leader is difficult, not just Burgh.
 

gliscor&yanmega

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You're saying, though, that Burgh wasn't easy, that he was just making him easy. Essentially, you're implying that Gym Leaders are difficult if you ignore basic strategy and game mechanics, because it is outright expected that players will use type advantages against Gym Leaders. That's kind of why GameFreak puts advantageous Pokemon in the area of every Gym: so you can use them.

Gym difficulty is really only decided based on how much of an advantage said strategy and mechanics give you, and how difficult it is to ab/use them. If you ignore strategy and game mechanics, then you could say that every Gym Leader is difficult, not just Burgh.

Type advantage is there for those who want to make the battle easier. Just like using healing items, and other advantages that are given to you to give yourself an easier time if you choose to do so. There's nothing stopping you from not relying on type advantage, or not using healing items, or not using the same amount of Pokemon as your opponent. You can come up with strategies without relying on said stuff. And yes, every Gym Leader has the potential of being difficult, as they do have the potential of being easy, it all depends on how you choose to battle them.
 

Taodragon

Training Anaylst
What on earth are Lenora and Cheren feeding their dogs?

The tears of the crying 10-15 year old kids they've beaten.
 
To me, the gym leaders are the toughest when they have a way to combat their weaknesses. Like Lenora's Watchog OHKoing your Pignite with a Retaliate after it just took down the Herdier.
 

Nyarlathotep

Eldritch Abomination
Yah, Rock type vs Bug type, that's obviously not going to be a challenge. Burgh wasn't easy, you used an advantage which made it easier.

Exactly.

My team was Combusken, Spheal and Butterfree and Burgh was definitely not easy.
That damn Dwebble.

I could catch a rock-type or Darumaka, but catching a Pokémon just to make a Gym Battle easy is like cheating to me.
I prefer to win with the team I planned before starting the game.

Btw, I am having trouble with Clay now, but it is because I am bit underleveled.
I should evolve Combusken already, but I want to win with it unevolved.
 

Excitable Boy

is a metaphor
It's weird. Clay can be really easy or really tough. His first two Pokemon are a joke but that Excadrill can be menacing

Feh. Clay got me at that point in the game where all of your Pokemon are extra sucky because they're about to evolve. The first time I tried to beat him, he got an attack boost with Metal Claw and 2HKOed my Dewott, which could only 3HKO back. Only GL so far I've had to make two attempts at (besides Burgh, but I beat him the first time and just forgot to save afterward).

And I couldn't paraflinch him, so there's that.
 
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