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Gym Leaders and Elite Four Discussion Thread [Read First Post]
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Endoplasmic Reticulum
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How do you guys play challenge mode before beating the game?
munchlaxguy
The Rolling Thunder
I would say this is good enough even on challenge mode although I have white 2 so I never got the hard mode of the game my Level 27 Lucario beat 2 of her 3 pokemon and Pignite finished her emolga.
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Excitable Boy
is a metaphor
Cheating, I think.
I'm just doing Normal, and Clay whooped me the first time. Then again, he also got a Metal Claw attack boost the first turn after being sent out that let him OHKO all of my remaining 'mons, so maybe that doesn't normally happen, I guess.
gliscor&yanmega
Well-Known Member
Yah, Rock type vs Bug type, that's obviously not going to be a challenge. Burgh wasn't easy, you used an advantage which made it easier.
If you plan on using all six you probably will win.
Transfer Challenge Key to a game. Once Black 2 gets Challenge Key, it can send it to other Black 2 or White 2 at any point during that game play, even before you start the game.
Endoplasmic Reticulum
Banned
Oh okay. That just gives me a more appealing reason to get BW2. Perhaps I may not rotate...
Excitable Boy
is a metaphor
um
it's how easy it is to exploit the advantage that determines boss difficulty
by that logic, every Pokemon boss not called GSC Janine is difficult by sheer virtue of being overleveled, irregardless of possible strategies you can use to defeat them
gliscor&yanmega
Well-Known Member
What exactly do you mean. All I'm saying is using type advantage isn't going to give you much of a challenge for a gym leader, and it's not because of the gym leader that they are easy but because of the choice of using a type advantage.
Excitable Boy
is a metaphor
You're saying, though, that Burgh wasn't easy, that he was just making him easy. Essentially, you're implying that Gym Leaders are difficult if you ignore basic strategy and game mechanics, because it is outright expected that players will use type advantages against Gym Leaders. That's kind of why GameFreak puts advantageous Pokemon in the area of every Gym: so you can use them.
Gym difficulty is really only decided based on how much of an advantage said strategy and mechanics give you, and how difficult it is to ab/use them. If you ignore strategy and game mechanics, then you could say that every Gym Leader is difficult, not just Burgh.
gliscor&yanmega
Well-Known Member
Type advantage is there for those who want to make the battle easier. Just like using healing items, and other advantages that are given to you to give yourself an easier time if you choose to do so. There's nothing stopping you from not relying on type advantage, or not using healing items, or not using the same amount of Pokemon as your opponent. You can come up with strategies without relying on said stuff. And yes, every Gym Leader has the potential of being difficult, as they do have the potential of being easy, it all depends on how you choose to battle them.
The tears of the crying 10-15 year old kids they've beaten.
Endoplasmic Reticulum
Banned
To me, the gym leaders are the toughest when they have a way to combat their weaknesses. Like Lenora's Watchog OHKoing your Pignite with a Retaliate after it just took down the Herdier.
Nyarlathotep
Eldritch Abomination
Exactly.
My team was Combusken, Spheal and Butterfree and Burgh was definitely not easy.
That damn Dwebble.
I could catch a rock-type or Darumaka, but catching a Pokémon just to make a Gym Battle easy is like cheating to me.
I prefer to win with the team I planned before starting the game.
Btw, I am having trouble with Clay now, but it is because I am bit underleveled.
I should evolve Combusken already, but I want to win with it unevolved.
Endoplasmic Reticulum
Banned
It's weird. Clay can be really easy or really tough. His first two Pokemon are a joke but that Excadrill can be menacing
Excitable Boy
is a metaphor
Feh. Clay got me at that point in the game where all of your Pokemon are extra sucky because they're about to evolve. The first time I tried to beat him, he got an attack boost with Metal Claw and 2HKOed my Dewott, which could only 3HKO back. Only GL so far I've had to make two attempts at (besides Burgh, but I beat him the first time and just forgot to save afterward).
And I couldn't paraflinch him, so there's that.
Starlight777
Member
I'm at Virbank city but I'm waiting until I can trade over my Archen and Keldeo that I want to use in my party(both level 15). Going to my friend's house today to use her DS 
Maybe I was lucky but I thought Cheren was too easy. I took both his pokemon down with just my level 14 Snivy
Maybe I was lucky but I thought Cheren was too easy. I took both his pokemon down with just my level 14 Snivy
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munchlaxguy
The Rolling Thunder
I'm at Virbank city but I'm waiting until I can trade over my Archen and Keldeo that I want to use in my party(both level 15). Going to my friend's house today to use her DS
Maybe I was lucky but I thought Cheren was too easy. I took both his pokemon down with just my level 14 Snivy
I agree Cheren was very easy for me my tepig and riolu beat him I beileve.
Endoplasmic Reticulum
Banned
I think in Black and White 2 the gym leaders that took me two attempts was just Cheren. Everyone else I beat on my first try IIRC. In BW1 though I lost to Cress, Lenora, and Clay. First gyms always give me issues...
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