Gyrados: Flying or Dragon

[Magma Grunt Alex]

Wht do you think Gyrados is a Water/Flying, not a Water/Dragon!? That makes me mad to see a flying pokemon look like a dragon and it cant even fly!!

I E-Mail Nintendo about this, and I'm hoping to receive one back too. Please, Discuss.

 

[Amadeus]

Not much to discuss. There has been much said about this, and if I were you, I wouldn't expect anything you wouldn't see in the other threads about this. Other than losing its Rock and Electric weaknesses, change wouldn't really benefit it. Its Special attack is too low to make any use of the typing, and it would lose many good resistances. For example, Fighting, Bug, and Ground resitance/immunity. It's not worth it.

 

[Valkyrie X]

I believe that Gyarados should be Water/Dragon...It learns more Dragon moves than Flying, and it just looks so much like a dragon. But I think it can fly.

;381;SD;380;

 

[~Austin~]

I agree Soul Dragon... exceptt for the " I think it can fly" part. Heheh

 

[ninjaweasel]

I'm confused by the water/flying typing also. It learns no flying moves, and the trainers that use dragon Pokémon always use Gyarados even though it isn't a dragon.

I don't think you're going to get a response from Nintendo, though. At least not a helpful one.

 

[Shining Milotic]

ok gyarados CANNOT learn fly anyone who disagrees can try to teachthe HM to him and hmmm it'll say NOT ABLE, secondly i think gyarados should be water/dragon so he can lose that horrid 4x weakness to lightning moves which sweep him away ALL THE time

 

[Valkyrie X]

I agree Soul Dragon... exceptt for the " I think it can fly" part. Heheh

Oh, it can't fly? My bad...Seriously, I thought Gyarados could actually fly. ;; My mistake. ^___^;;

;381;SD;380;

 

[Magma Grunt Alex]

well, I wouldnt mind if it was a water/flying if it learned fly. But there is a kingdra that is a water/dragon and a pelliper that is a water/flying. But still, it pisses me off to see a gyrados as a flying type.

 

[mrpython1991]

I think he should stay water/flying. I only really use Gyarados because when it's up against a ground or rock opponent, they don't do as much damage to it, while on the other hand, Gyarados is dishin' out all the pain with his hydro cannon.

I love Gyarados.

 

[NES]

No, i like Gyarados just the way it is, i would like it with a flying attack, like aeroblast...but, make it water/dragon would screw it's ability to evade ground moves, there is already kingdra for be water and dragon, and it makes use of both stabs with is high special attack, and gyarados sp. att sucks a lot, it has good attack, and being flying it could have something to stab good with it...

Nintendo won't listen to you, they will send you a mail with "thank you for mail us, we like to listen to you", or stuff like that.

 

[Eszett]

If Gyarados were Water/Dragon he would lose his STAB on HP Flying, rendering him nigh useless in the metagame since he hardly learns any other physical moves.

Keep his physical STAB, says I.

 

[undisputed_seraphim]

Gyarados is strange in that its water/flying, yet it can't learn flying type moves but learns dragon type moves instead. (Dragon Dance). Gyarados can't learn Fly , Aerial Ace, Wing Attack , and come to think of it, it doesn't even have any wings! But keeping it's flying type syill has its pros and cons...

FLYING:
Pros: Resistance against Ground, Protects against Grass.
Cons: Double Weakness against Electric.

DRAGON:
Pros: Resistance against many elemental attacks, esp. Water, Water side will nullify weakness against Ice.
Cons: Weak against Dragon??

 

[Silver Suicune]

Gyarados is strange in that its water/flying, yet it can't learn flying type moves but learns dragon type moves instead. (Dragon Dance). Gyarados can't learn Fly , Aerial Ace, Wing Attack , and come to think of it, it doesn't even have any wings! But keeping it's flying type syill has its pros and cons...

FLYING:
Pros: Resistance against Ground, Protects against Grass.
Cons: Double Weakness against Electric.

DRAGON:
Pros: Resistance against many elemental attacks, esp. Water, Water side will nullify weakness against Ice.
Cons: Weak against Dragon??

Yeah, except it'll lose its STAB. But it being Dragon does make sense.

 

[pisces_beedrill]

Gyarados is strange in that its water/flying, yet it can't learn flying type moves but learns dragon type moves instead. (Dragon Dance). Gyarados can't learn Fly , Aerial Ace, Wing Attack , and come to think of it, it doesn't even have any wings! But keeping it's flying type syill has its pros and cons...

FLYING:
Pros: Resistance against Ground, Protects against Grass.
Cons: Double Weakness against Electric.

DRAGON:
Pros: Resistance against many elemental attacks, esp. Water, Water side will nullify weakness against Ice.
Cons: Weak against Dragon??

but gyaridos can fly right? even if it doesn't know flying attacks

 

[jellsprout]

It was made Water/Flying, because if it were a Water/Dragon type, it's only weakness would be against Dragon. And in R/G/B/Y, the generation were Gyarados was created, the Dragon type attack was Dragon Rage. Since Dragon Rage was a set damage attack, Gyarados wouldn't have any weaknesses. And that would make it to overpowered.

 

[≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈]

This topic needs to be made a Sticky, because I'm sick beyond sick of explaining this over and over.

Magikarp and Gyarados are based off a Japanese legend. A weak, powerless fish existed in a peaceful lake, and stumbled across a roaring waterfall. The fish attempted to climb this waterfall, to prove its use. It succeeded, and the gods rewarded it by turning it into a flying serpent and blessing it with amazing powers. So yes, GYARADOS. CAN. FLY. And if you didn't know this yourself, The Wacky Watcher of the Orange Island episodes makes a nice wake-up call, because the entire episode is a recreation of how Nintendo planned out the two.

That's speaking from a design stand-point. Now for Competitive reasoning:

Dragon/Water would DESTROY Gyarados in every way imaginable. First off, it would be susceptible to Earthquake and other Ground Type moves, Earthquake being way up there with the most frequently seen moves on NetBattle. Second, it would lose all Physical STAB, and be pretty much just like poor Yanma Statwise(meaning its lesser Offensive Stat is higher than the Offense that allows it to use its two STABs). HP Flying wouldn't do near as much damage without STAB to back it up.

And from a common sense stand-point, it won't happen. If Nintendo wanted to fix this, they would have done it in G/S/C. It's the same thing with the Poison or Dark debate with the Gengar line(except they actually SHOULD be Dark Types, because they're only Poison Types because it was the closest thing to Dark back then).

To sum it up, the worthless fish did not become a Dragon. It became a serpent. Serpent, not dragon. Not dragon, serpent. In no way draconic, but serpentine. Less of a dragon, more of a snake. I don't know how much I have to impress this on everyone until the point is made clear, but that should hopefully get the message across.

And anyone who whines that Gyarados can't fly or that it looks more like a Dragon needs to STHU, because it obviously can fly and it will never become a Dragon.

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion​

 

[Amadeus]

Ditto, Blizzard.

I agree with those that say Gyarados needs a good Flying move, but Aeroblast would be pushing it. It's an exclusive move, and should stay that way.

 

[Suikodenmaster1324]

I don't know why they made it water/flying it really should be water/dragon I say.But it doesn't matter they made that way and it's stuck that way we can't change the past.Oh well.

 

[≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈]

I don't know why they made it water/flying it really should be water/dragon I say.But it doesn't matter they made that way and it's stuck that way we can't change the past.Oh well.

^The rest of the Thread is that way^

We can always hope for a good Flying move in D/P that Gyarados has access to. We got Aerial Ace for the 3rd Gen, so perhaps we're due for a great Flying move in D/P. If not, we always have HP Flying, which is still a good move. With a new Flying move, Gyarados could use its HP for something else, but oh well. Aeroblast would make Gyarados quite broken, IMO. Beastly Attack and a high Critical Hit ratio shouldn't mix.

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion​

 

[Dunsparce]

I can't belive another misguided newb rehashed a topic that has been discussed many times before. GYARADOS MUST REMAIN PART FLYING FOR THE SAKE OF PHYSICAL STAB.

And like what ~*CB*~ said, it's a S-E-R-P-E-N-T, not a stupid Dragon!!!