Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? (RMT)

[Bull]

That will be the phrase used before combat for this team when it gets perfected thanks to your wise help.
This is for the uber metagame.

Darkrai
Timid with 252 evs in speed and sp. Atk, 6 in HP
Dark Hall
Substitute
Calm Mind
Dark Pulse
@Leftovers

Lead: Simple, place to sleep opponents, raise a substitute, then Calm Mind, until they wake up or change poke. To ensure that your substitute becomes less breakable on the sp. defense side. Then you can attack, or place to sleep again.

Rayquaza
Jolly with 252 Evs in Atk, 252 in Speed, 6 in Sp. Def
Earthquake
Dragon Dance/Swords Dance
Outrage
Extremespeed/Crunch
@Life Orb

Ok, after suggestions I decided on this. Physical Rayquaza has the extraordinary ability of using Swords Dance and then hurting everything like hell, but...it is to slow and Lati@s kills it before. That is why I'm selecting first Dragon Dance because even if you set slower you'll outspeed most everything after one Dragon Dance. Dragon Claw is a must, while Earthquake seems a very good option. I have chosen Extremespeed over Crunch in order to finish off some of thos pests that can hurt you badly and even if we're crossing over psychic territory, STAB Dragon Claw does more to them than Crunch even if super effective.

Kyogre
Modest with 252 Evs in Sp. Atk, 252 Evs in Sp. Def, 6 in HP
Surf
Ice Beam
Thunder
Calm Mind
@Leftovers
I'll face it. Kyogre is very slow, and having that tremendous sp. def, why not abuse it? The point is that as I know I will not outspeed almost anything with Kyogre, I'll resist it and with Calm Mind + Leftovers make it harder for them to take me down, and suddenly a Calminded attack is something that must be taken seriously.

Parukia
Timid with 252 Evs in Sp. Atk, 220 Evs in Speed, 38 in HP
Space Break
Surf
Aqua Tail
Thunder
@Pearl Orb
Kyogre's best friend. With the leviathan's support, Parukia can make much more damage with Surf and Aqua Tail. I'm hoping Blissey shows her face, it that happens, if she does not have a single Ev in defense, she's dead. Aqua Tail + STAB + Drizzle + Pear Orb = an OHKO even with 714 HP Bliss. Thunder is for other Kyogre.

Arceus
Modest with 252 Ev in Sp. Atk, 134 in Def, 124 in Speed
Judgement Pebble
Recover
Sleep Talk
Grass Rope
@Bug Plate

This can be used as a Darkrai counter with Judgement Pebble. At the same time it is a more defensive Arseus that can survive longer with the evs in def that will make it only take 40% - 47% on Groudon's Swordsdanced once Earthquake. Then being faster able to use Grass Rope delivering at least 87% damage in a turn.

Mewtwo
Timid with 252 Evs in Sp. Atk, 216 Evs in Speed, 42 in HP
Ice Beam
Pulse Bomb
Calm Mind
Recover
@Life Orb
Cleaner: Mewtwo is here to finish the job. Basically the boltbeam set from advance but I chose Pulse Bomb because it can get rid of one of the pokemon that will give him greater headaches: Darkrai. If Darkrai has no Evs in Sp. Def (as most of will), then Mewtwo who will be faster OHKO's Darkrai with Pulse Bomb and Life Orb. Ice Beam is there to handle Lati@s, Giratina, and because it is very effective attacking other psychic pokemon.

Please suggest things that this team needs: I think it has a Groudon weakness therefore I've already thought about a Latios set to counter it, but I'm not sure who to take out in order for Latios to be in the team. Thanks for the help.

 

[DDBoahTar]

So it's.... Completely uber.

I'll rate your team if you make one that takes some skill to use. >_>

 

[Kairyu]

So it's.... Completely uber.

I'll rate your team if you make one that takes some skill to use. >_>

Stop being a dick.

Groudon + Palkia is meh imo. Thunder or Grass Rope over Pulse bomb on Mewtwo and put a Darkria counter over Palkia. Make Asceus more Defensive atleast. You need all of any type(Lugia, Blissey, Girtina). Deoxys attackform hurts your team.

 

[Bull]

So it's.... Completely uber.

I'll rate your team if you make one that takes some skill to use. >_>

I specified at the top that this was for the uber metagame. At the same time, most of the sets are standard, that is something you know, but a good team does not revolve solely on standar movesets. Cohesion is needed, that is why I think you could point me out what are its major weaknesses. I think you know that in a game of prediction, even if you have "the best movesets for the best team" (if that existed), you still would need skill to handle the team and not face defeat.

Groudon + Palkia is meh imo. Thunder or Grass Rope over Pulse bomb on Mewtwo and put a Darkria counter over Palkia. Make Asceus more Defensive atleast. You need all of any type(Lugia, Blissey, Girtina). Deoxys attackform hurts your team.

I understand what you're saying. In advance the uber metagame was very dependent on walls, however I have the feeling that now that his metagame has increased in size, due to several new exponents, it is impossible to counter everything. That takes to the point where I think any of the pokes I placed can give a really strong blow to any pokemon. The biggest problem in walls that I'd face is Bliss, and that is something I really have no counter against, unless Groudon and Palkia with Aqua Tail can take care of the job. On what you commented on Arseus, I changed it into Bug Arseus that counters Darkrai and helps with other pokes as well absorbing your suggestion of Grass Rope. Thanks

 

[starterlover1]

That will be the phrase used before combat for this team when it gets perfected thanks to your wise help.
This is for the uber metagame.

Darkrai
Timid with 252 evs in speed and sp. Atk, 6 in HP
Dark Hall
Substitute
Calm Mind
Dark Pulse
@Leftovers

Lead: Simple, place to sleep opponents, raise a substitute, then Calm Mind, until they wake up or change poke. To ensure that your substitute becomes less breakable on the sp. defense side. Then you can attack, or place to sleep again.

Groudon
Adamant with 252 Evs in Atk, 252 in Speed, 6 in Def
Earthquake
Swords Dance
Dragon Claw
Stealth Rock/Stone Edge
@Salac Berry

Physical Sweeper: More or less standard, but I tend to prefer Stealth Rock because it can be a problem for Lugia to come in whenever it decides to. The same problem will face Rayquaza, and obviously Ho-oh. The major threat I face are the walls, so I have to take them down, and initial hit to Lugia will never hurt. I'm not planning to face Lugia with Groudon because I'm afraid of Calm Minded Ice Beams, I'll leave that to another poke.

Kyogre
Modest with 252 Evs in Sp. Atk, 252 Evs in Sp. Def, 6 in HP
Surf
Ice Beam
Thunder
Calm Mind
@Leftovers
I'll face it. Kyogre is very slow, and having that tremendous sp. def, why not abuse it? The point is that as I know I will not outspeed almost anything with Kyogre, I'll resist it and with Calm Mind + Leftovers make it harder for them to take me down, and suddenly a Calminded attack is something that must be taken seriously.

Parukia
Timid with 252 Evs in Sp. Atk, 220 Evs in Speed, 38 in HP
Space Break
Surf
Aqua Tail
Thunder
@Pearl Orb
Kyogre's best friend. With the leviathan's support, Parukia can make much more damage with Surf and Aqua Tail. I'm hoping Blissey shows her face, it that happens, if she does not have a single Ev in defense, she's dead. Aqua Tail + STAB + Drizzle + Pear Orb = an OHKO even with 714 HP Bliss. Thunder is for other Kyogre.

Arceus
Jolly with 208 Evs in speed, 206 Evs in Atk and 96 in HP
Swords Dance
Recover
Substitute
Xtremespeed/(Return)
@Leftovers

Why Extremespeed? Eventhough Return can get a base power of 102, that is whay Swords Dance is there for. With Xtremespeed I can finish off other pokemon before they attack when they're weak. However the problems of Xtrm-speed are its low PP. I'm in need of a physical sweeper and also something that can also kill Bliss. A one time Swordsdanced Extremespeed will do over 60% to Bliss in one hit.

Mewtwo
Timid with 252 Evs in Sp. Atk, 216 Evs in Speed, 42 in HP
Ice Beam
Pulse Bomb
Calm Mind
Recover
@Life Orb
Cleaner: Mewtwo is here to finish the job. Basically the boltbeam set from advance but I chose Pulse Bomb because it can get rid of one of the pokemon that will give him greater headaches: Darkrai. If Darkrai has no Evs in Sp. Def (as most of will), then Mewtwo who will be faster OHKO's Darkrai with Pulse Bomb and Life Orb. Ice Beam is there to handle Lati@s, Giratina, and because it is very effective attacking other psychic pokemon.

Please suggest things that this team needs: I think it has a Groudon weakness therefore I've already thought about a Latios set to counter it, but I'm not sure who to take out in order for Latios to be in the team. Thanks for the help.

Watch for attack deoxys; I can see people using Focus Strip to give it more than one attack. You may need more defense...Lugia of course stands out. Giratina is a possibility...but I don't like its weakness to Shadow Ball (common for the psychics), and Ice Beam (a generally common move anyway). Add in the dragons besides it, and it gets hit rather hard.

 

[PatTar]

groudon and kyogre on the same team isn't the best strategy.

might have trouble with lati@s.

 

[Bull]

Watch for attack deoxys; I can see people using Focus Strip to give it more than one attack. You may need more defense...Lugia of course stands out. Giratina is a possibility...but I don't like its weakness to Shadow Ball (common for the psychics), and Ice Beam (a generally common move anyway). Add in the dragons besides it, and it gets hit rather hard.

In order to avoid crossing between Drought and Drizzle, do you recommend taking Kyogre and Palkia out? I am thinking of using Lugia (gay version) and Schemepassing Mew in their place

 

[jolteonjak]

I'd suggest dropping Ice Beam from Mewtwo for Shadow Ball.

Also, I forget what the set should be, but Aruseus should have the Dark Plate with Judgement Pebble.

 

[spareux]

So it's.... Completely uber.

I'll rate your team if you make one that takes some skill to use. >_>

get out.
now.
and don't ever come back

agreeing conflicting weather is meh =/

 

[MistyLover]

Yes, it's completely Uber.
Cresellia is a good Pokemon to have in your team.

I do believe that -4J- did dance with the devil in the pale moonlight.


Mewtwo
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Shadow Ball
-T-Bolt/Ice Beam

 

[Raito]

Good Job users: MistyLover and DDBoahTar for adding absolutely nothing to the conversation! ^^

Conflicting weather is meh.

There's no Special Wall, unless you count Kyogre, which doesn't count. Blissey or Lanturn / Quagsire should work.

 

[ludicolo_kid]

I really want to try out AScarf Kyogre, but maybe it's just me. Thirding or fourthing or whatever Bliss or something over Groudon.

 

[Kairyu]

What is this bull with conflicting weather? Groudon comes in and it becomes sunny. Kyogre comes in and it becomes rainy. No conflicting weather. Palkia really want its STAB surf to own so either replace Groudon with Physical Rayquaza or replaces Palkia with Special Rayquaza/Lat@s/Daiglia. ASkyogre is the sh*t. Basicly a AG STAB 150 BP from a 150 base attack with 394+ speed is sexy

 

[STEVEthePEEVE8675309]

why does Arsueus have Rest-less Sleep Talk?

and I forgot, what is conficting weather?
YOU DONT HAVE TO POST IT A MILLION TIMES.

 

[spareux]

because it's the idea I posted for a Stalking Arceus

it shits all over darkrai

 

[Bull]

because it's the idea I posted for a Stalking Arceus

it shits all over darkrai

Exactly I borrowed 4J's Bug Arceus set, modifying it to be more defensive, using Recover and giving it Grass Rope because it will not even take half damage from 438 Adamant Atk Groudon that has swords danced once (did the calculations). As it is one point faster in speed next turn it will do Grass Rope doing a minimum of 93% damage to Groudon. Some other times it will OHKO, and it still can take one more hit without dying. I believe Kyogre and Palkia are extremely effective together, so I'm thinking that if it is too much problem the conflicting weather, then both would go, and I'd have two open spaces where probably Bliss or Lugia would be entering. I have the feeling that the uber metagame will be really fast and therefore not completely sure how effective in the long run having several walls will be. Another option for the vacant option would be Schemepassing Mew which would make extremely dangerous Mewtwo, Arceus and even Darkrai. Latios is also an option that can handle Earthquakes with ease and send out Modest STAB Souldew Meteoric Swarms and then go out,

I'd suggest dropping Ice Beam from Mewtwo for Shadow Ball.

Also, I forget what the set should be, but Aruseus should have the Dark Plate with Judgement Pebble.

I don't think that Dark Arceus is necesary because I have Darkrai. Even if they play different roles, Darkrai is faster, has the accurest sleep and a sexy trait to abuse its attack. I think it outclasses Dark Arceus. The reason I have Ice Beam over Shadow Ball is because with Ice Beam, you can deliver stronger blows to Lati@s, Giratina, Groudon and Rayquaza. At the same time, I'm not using Mewtwo against any psychic, that is where I send Darkai or even Bug Arceus.

 

[jolteonjak]

I see your points. The reason for Dark Arceus is because of the multitude of Psychics. But after reading why you're using Bug Arceus, I think I like it more. Nice job.

I just read that you may consider dropping Kyogre and Palkia. Since you'd still have Groudon, why not consider using Ho-oh? It would benefit from the Sunny weather with Sacred Fire.

 

[ludicolo_kid]

Nah Kyogre and Palkia make a cooler combination imo, and would need less of a drastic change to the team. Just do what Kairyu said and stick a Physical Rayquaza over Groudon.

 

[Bull]

After the suggestion made by some of you I decided to replace my physical sweeper much to what I like Groudon but seeing how effective Kyogre + Palkia is, I decided to left them and take care of the conflicting whether. I chose this set for Rayquaza:

Rayquaza
Jolly with 252 Evs in Atk, 252 in Speed, 6 in Sp. Def
Earthquake
Dragon Dance/Swords Dance
Dragon Claw
Extremespeed/Crunch
@Life Orb

Hope you can continue critique my team in order for it to get perfected

 

[Kairyu]

Admanant and Outrage over DC