Because, the Declaration of Independence says "all men are created equal", so they deserve equality.
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Homosexuality in Children's TV
- Thread starter shadowclanqueen
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Because, the Declaration of Independence says "all men are created equal", so they deserve equality.
lemoncatpower
Cynical Optimist
I personally think more animated series should have lgbt characters. I don't see them at all but I guess I'm not watching american cartoons, only japanese for the most part. But it would have been sweet to have like a gay teen titan.
If I do see it in western tv, it's as a gag/not confirmed or it's very hush hush and you figure it out after watching a few times, or reading about it 3 years after you watched it only to go, wtf? how did I miss this.. Which I don't think is fair.
SlowPokeBroKing
Future Gym Leader
It started because I called them out for making a poorly constructed post that came across as bigoted and they're refusing to accept it. Mordent can say whatever he/she wants about their treatment around here, but they seem to be missing a few key elements in their political posts: logic and relevance.
Seriously. No one ever said we should show dicksucking on next week's Bubble Guppies.
If only you could hear yourself....
SlowPokeBroKing
Future Gym Leader
Could you explain exactly what is so crazy about what I said?
I did not say you were crazy, SPBK. You guys want me to view you as serious debaters, and yet, you have to sue foul language to get your point across.
I think I speak for every Hillary supporter when I say it's juvenile behavior that does not make us want to listen to your arguments or take your side.
SlowPokeBroKing
Future Gym Leader
I didn't have to say anything. I just said it. And it was relevant and made sense. Not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape about it.
Not to mention, you're getting a little ridiculous trying to stand for all of a certain demographic, especially seeing as I am a part of said demographic.
I kind of laughed at that, honestly. Juvenile? Oh, definitely. To the point, though? Yup.
Although I personally don't participate in homosexual behavior, I wouldn't mind if my kids were exposed to a reasonably depicted LGBT character on a TV show. I think that early exposure to what LGBT is will help them be able to be less discriminatory in their actions to them.
I'd love to hear everyone else's opinions, though!
Sadib
Time Lord Victorious
Seriously? What does that even mean? No one cares that you are the president of the Hillary fan club.
chess-z
campy vampire
To my surprise, this is a relatively uncontroversial statement here, as the majority of the forum is in agreement with you, however lots of people tend to rate homosexuality a lot higher than a G. This raises the question "How much implied sexuality of any type is G rated?" Is our current standard ofr heterosexual relationships too low for the G rating? What's up with that?
The MPAA tends to rate minority and interracial stuff as a higher rating as well, but seeing the people who make up that group I'm not surprised. It's like when they found out Oscar voters weren't even watching the movies they were supposed to be voting for.
PrinceOfFacade
Ghost-Type Master
I've never understood why this is even an argument.
Point blank, if heterosexual behavior does not bother you in children's programming, neither should homosexual behavior. I mean, seriously. What the hell are people so afraid of?
Point blank, if heterosexual behavior does not bother you in children's programming, neither should homosexual behavior. I mean, seriously. What the hell are people so afraid of?
chess-z
campy vampire
It's change. People like to think that through stasis our lives will be better, so when something threatens that stasis people lose their minds.
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Auraninja
Eh, ragazzo!
Why does it have to be G-rated?
Let me give this as an example. What if the Animaniacs had a reboot where Yakko and Wakko kissed a guy after saying "Hello Nurse"?
The point is, not all kids TV shows are G-rated.
If you are addressing a younger crowd, you can introduce the concept in a Sesame Street segment.
There are kid's shows that will have non-G rated material. Contrasting to the previous example, what if the show had gnarly humor, but a gay character wasn't what created the crude jokes.
Let me give this as an example. What if the Animaniacs had a reboot where Yakko and Wakko kissed a guy after saying "Hello Nurse"?
The point is, not all kids TV shows are G-rated.
If you are addressing a younger crowd, you can introduce the concept in a Sesame Street segment.
There are kid's shows that will have non-G rated material. Contrasting to the previous example, what if the show had gnarly humor, but a gay character wasn't what created the crude jokes.
chess-z
campy vampire
Fair point. I was using G rated more as a response to RedJirachi, but I totally understand why someone would take issue with the G rating. But honestly this is quibbling over semantics, since most of us are un agreement here. If anyone takes issue with other parts of my arguments let me know, cause talking about things is how we learn.
The Admiral
the star of the masquerade
Foul and/or vulgar language has its place. Often it is to create a colorful image, or perhaps because sometimes you feel it's better to explain that your opponent is "like a lukewarm draught of anal seepage" as opposed to "a liar" or "a fraud." Often that's more because of litigation issues, though.
Or sometimes it's as a simple refutation to prove a point. For example:
Oh, piss off.
And for the love of all that is good and holy, can we keep candidate name-checking out of this debate? This goes way deeper than anything that involves specific politicians, whether it's the main subject or if it's the sub-debate about vulgar language. I accept that you're alluding to Donald Trump being childish and vulgar, but that's irrelevant! Donald Trump has nothing to do with this thread! Until he says he's going to make it a law that he's going to, like, deport gay cartoon characters or something, alluding to him is pointless and masturbatory. We get it, you like Hillary. You're the political equivalent of the vaper stereotype.
Okay, so let's get back on topic: This is an argument because a bunch of people in power took a single line from the Bible (possibly not even an entire verse? I don't remember) out of context many centuries ago and have basically been playing telephone with it ever since. Did you know that early Christianity was actually fairly accepting toward homosexuality relative to how comparatively modern Christianity (or rather, the people in power who claim to be Christians -- but that's a whole other debate) treats it? There is some contention that adelphopoiesis was, essentially, a class of gay marriage.
I mean, I know it's not just Christianity, but on the other hand, here in the States, that is a big part of it. The "moral" people -- most of them borrow heavily from Christianity. A lot of basic Christian morals are decent, but things like "being gay is unnatural" are uninformed, which is not a good state for a major grounding of social norms to be in.
The irony being that it's more of a reversion of a centuries-old change, but I suppose that has to count after a while.
Oh, yeah, this too. I forgot about this.
The other thing about this, is that they clearly can't separate them from the sexual aspects. In the case being dealt with in this thread, I think we really need to wonder why they think about gay sex so much.
chess-z
campy vampire
Interesting fact: Homosexuality is mentioned as being a sin about 4 times in the bible. 3 in the pentatauch (probably spelled that wrong) which is the five books attributed to Moses (like dueteromony and numbers and that stuff)and once in the Epistle of Paul to thr Romans (which unfortunately is a massive foundation of christianity). It's pretty strange that christians latched onto that cause they ignore a whole bunch of the weirder stuff that gets mentioned a lot more in both the old and New Testament.
Akwakwak
I'm hungry
Socialisation/learned behavior.
The Admiral
the star of the masquerade
I presume part of it is because procreation was more valuable at the time due to high mortality rates, and people in those periods being too stupid to understand that bisexuals exist. More the first than the second, granted.
chess-z
campy vampire
To summarize: The ratings association for American movies is comprised of Hollywood parents, who are absurdly biased against minorities all of types, use their position of power to villafy said minorities by giving higher ratings to approximately the same content. The association also gives higher rates to the f-bomb depending on the context. As in insult it'll probably get a pg-13, with a sexual context between a guy and a girl it'll get an R, and between an interracial or gay couple it'll get a NC-17. The association hates sex, but minority sex the most.