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Homosexuality & Politics in the 21st Century

Scammel

Well-Known Member
There is one thing that disappointed me about the vote in Ireland today...

...and that is that, from here on out, America will never be remembered as the country that did it first.

Don't be. Referendums aren't always useful for civil rights purposes - imagine the outcome of a referendum on rights for black people in the 60s.
 

Ketaru

Well-Known Member
Not really LGBT-related. But white racist guns down nine people during Bible study. If the anti-gay crowd is looking for an attack on Christianity, I believe they're looking in the wrong place.
 

Mr. Reloaded

All encompassing
And it shouldn't have taken this long but I'm really glad it's happened.

Congrats US!
 

SkyBlue

I ate ColtonL
This is a joyous day for America!
and even though it did take longer than it should've, we all knew this day was coming. and better late than never ^w^
 

Navin

MALDREAD
My Facebook has been blowing up over this of course.

That final paragraph gave me chills:

"No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.

The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit is reversed.

It is so ordered.
"
 

Antiyonder

Overlord
1. You know, one problem I find I have with homophobes is that practically every argument is a double standard which suggests that they make up their reasons on the spot rather than at least trying to present arguments that can be rebuked.

Take the argument "If we okay gay marriages, then the definition of the word will have to change".

Sorry, but haven't words like f*g, molest and gay originally started out with different definitions? Only to have more sexual meanings over time?

2. And I never understood why homophobes try to claim they are victims of oppression.

I mean doesn't being homophobic by default mean disrespecting the rights of those who pursue same sex relationships? If that's the case, what makes their rights sacred.

I mean if you are unwilling to give, you have no business expecting to receive.
 

Poke Trainer J

Well-Known Member
Gee I wonder what's next, SCOTUS ruling in favor of polygamy and marriage between sibs?
 

Antiyonder

Overlord
Gee I wonder what's next, SCOTUS ruling in favor of polygamy and marriage between sibs?

All well and good to be concerned over slippery slopes, but flat out banning of homosexual marriages have just as many slippery slopes as well. I mean, lets say it's banned on the reason of being unnatural.

Well, we'd have to ban anything else that's unnatural such as:
- technology
- plastic surgery
- birth control pills and other man made remedies.

Or as a Christian, lets say it should be banned because it makes certain religious folks cry. Then lets ban:
- pork and various meat products
- beverages like coffee, soda, tea and so on
- holidays and birthdays

So yeah, the slippery slope argument works as a reason not to ban it.
 

junkieloser

legalize self abuse.
Gee I wonder what's next, SCOTUS ruling in favor of polygamy and marriage between sibs?
Citation needed that homosexuality is linked with other sexually deviant behaviour.

(Though protip, consensual polygamy shouldn't even be considered deviant, but that's an argument for another thread)
 

The Admiral

solid state survivor
Gee I wonder what's next, SCOTUS ruling in favor of polygamy and marriage between sibs?

because there is any reason to consider those anywhere near equal, right

then again, if you're even saying this kind of thing at all, especially with no backing or proof of any kind ...
 

Ketaru

Well-Known Member
because there is any reason to consider those anywhere near equal, right

then again, if you're even saying this kind of thing at all, especially with no backing or proof of any kind ...

What is proof to a person who faithfully believes in a scripture that says Harry and Ben, living together down the street, ought to killed with nobody to blame but themselves?
 

CSolarstorm

New spicy version
It's pretty awesome that gay marriage is legal throughout the US now. I just thought I'd come back to the thread long enough to appreciate this change, since we spent so much time here examining and reexamining the issue from every angle. It would have meant something to me back then.

And I've got to say, the argument against gay marriage hasn't looked too well today. The crux of it always seemed to rest on legal and tradition definitions, but now that there's actually a federal case established, it's going to be harder to make that argument. Any further actions against gay marriage are probably going to come from states that try to find loopholes around it like some did with abortion. One idea going around is to stop granting marriage licenses altogether. You know in order to preserve marriage. Actually, it's not that extreme; I've heard many people from both sides of the issue say we should just do away with marriage. Personally I'm more for affirmatively granting people the rights to do what brings them happiness rather than taking away something so that nobody can enjoy it, but everyone has their own perspective.
 
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saki888

Well-Known Member
Today was a great day for America:

“No longer may this liberty be denied,” Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the majority in the historic decision. “No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were.”

Marriage is a “keystone of our social order,” Justice Kennedy said, adding that the plaintiffs in the case were seeking “equal dignity in the eyes of the law.”

he uses equal dignity several times in the ruling
 

7 tyranitars

Well-Known Member
It has been a while since I posted in the debate section and this was always one of my favourite topics to debate. So I just want to drop by and congratulate the americans on this. The process was often seen as slow and tiring, but the last 2 years things trully went fast. I am not someone who thinks being proud of a country should be a big thing. But today you can be proud of the progress you have made. Once again congratulations.
 
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