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How can you see Blue (Green), Kanto's female protagonist, be adapted into the anime?

shoz999

Back when Tigers used to smoke.
It doesn't depend on the anime it depends on the lore of the games and it's it's characters. It's specially described as having characters from the games. Which means the character from fire Red leaf green is officially leaf, Game freak does support it and game freak heads have pointed out how they wanted a game like this. Game freak owns TPC and TPC were in collaboration with this game. So yeah the lore is canon. And since green is a character in the games too and is named green i think its pretty clear they aren't the same character
Okay, try to look at it from my POV. For this example, I will be referring to FRLG's Blue as Leaf and LGPE's Blue as Green for this case. Ask yourself this. To a lot of people such as myself, a difference in name doesn't mean much unless GameFreak themselves confirm it. The Pokemon Masters spin-off is supported by GameFreak but not only is it not made by GameFreak, it also fairly conflicts with the game canon at times that you understand that this is most definitely a spin-off of DeNA's canon, not GameFreak's canon. With that in mind, outside of a name difference and the Pokemon Masters spin-off, what proves that Leaf of FRLG and Green of LGPE are separate characters and not simply counterparts of the same character like Red is?
 

Mr.Munchlax

Great Ball Rank Trainer
I’m more than certain she’s only referred to as Leaf in Masters to avoid confusion with Blue (Green). That’s why I refer to her as that at least. The translators of Let’s Go should of went with that but got themselves in a hole when they had to call her Green to not rectify all those years we’ve been calling Blue (Green) Blue.
Since when does she appear in Masters?
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Deluded Dreamer
Okay, try to look at it from my POV. For this example, I will be referring to FRLG's Blue as Leaf and LGPE's Blue as Green for this case. Ask yourself this. To a lot of people such as myself, a difference in name doesn't mean much unless GameFreak themselves confirm it. The Pokemon Masters spin-off is supported by GameFreak but not only is it not made by GameFreak, it also fairly conflicts with the game canon at times that you understand that this is most definitely a spin-off of DeNA's canon, not GameFreak's canon. With that in mind, outside of a name difference and the Pokemon Masters spin-off, what proves that Leaf of FRLG and Green of LGPE are separate characters and not simply counterparts of the same character like Red is?

Well view it from a logical standpoint. Even if it isn't a main game Pokemon masters is a derivative of the main lore and expands the lore. I think it can be used as fact. Considering we have a green character in the game, and the FRLG protagonist is in masters as LEAF, and there is someone still left to pair with venusaur just like red has Charizard and blue has blastoise, do you really think they are the same? I think it's pretty clear this is a case of Kris and Lyra, but i guess it won't be fully confirmed till green comes in masters
 

Leonhart

Imagineer
I really wish that Blue had appeared around the time that Satoshi went to the Orange Archipelago. She could've been his rival in that arc, which I think Satoshi needed since Shigeru wasn't involved and that whole arc lacked tension for the most part. Blue being introduced as someone who wanted to challenge the Southern Cross [at least I think that's what the four Gym Leaders and Champion were called in the original version] would've been nice.
 

shoz999

Back when Tigers used to smoke.
Well view it from a logical standpoint. Even if it isn't a main game Pokemon masters is a derivative of the main lore and expands the lore. I think it can be used as fact. Considering we have a green character in the game, and the FRLG protagonist is in masters as LEAF, and there is someone still left to pair with venusaur just like red has Charizard and blue has blastoise, do you really think they are the same? I think it's pretty clear this is a case of Kris and Lyra, but i guess it won't be fully confirmed till green comes in masters
Even if that does happen, for me it still has to come from directly GameFreak. From my logical standpoint, Pokemon Masters is still a product under DeNA, not GameFreak. It has just as much as an approval and support as it does for the anime, the manga, the spinoffs. To me, GameFreak's support of someone else's product isn't enough because of their mindset. I've seen this before and I've seen this type of expansive lore forgotten and ignored several years later through products like Pokemon Rangers, Pokemon Snap etc and these are influential games. In terms of the main series lore, only GameFreak really controls it and thus to me, the reason why I say Blue/Green is the canonical name of the overall character from FRLG and LGPE is that it's the only name of Kanto's female protagonist to actually be confirmed by GameFreak themselves and often with the status quo with fans, such as how the unnamed Rocket Executive from Gen 2 is now referred to as Archer, the Kanto's female protagonist of FRLG is canonically Blue/Green until GameFreak says otherwise.

The second is the separate characters. The real problem why it's so nearly impossible to argue that Blue/Green of the LGPE and FRLG games are separate characters is that there isn't any actual real evidence to suggest this and evidence that people do bring up, like different Pokemon teams or different clothing, more likely suggest that these aren't separate characters, these are different counterparts of a different canon and that's the hard part. How do you convince these people that this isn't a different counterpart? That my logic exclusively suggests that this is a separate character as opposed to a different counterpart? How is this different from Red or Green Oak across the canons? The reason why Kris and Lyra stand out is that the exclusive evidence that suggest that they are separate characters and not simply counterparts is that GameFreak said it themselves.

With that being said, on another note. I can see Leaf as the English name of the anime's take on Blue.
 

brtnvm

Giselle best girl
Even if that does happen, for me it still has to come from directly GameFreak. From my logical standpoint, Pokemon Masters is still a product under DeNA, not GameFreak. It has just as much as an approval and support as it does for the anime, the manga, the spinoffs. To me, GameFreak's support of someone else's product isn't enough because of their mindset. I've seen this before and I've seen this type of expansive lore forgotten and ignored several years later through products like Pokemon Rangers, Pokemon Snap etc and these are influential games. In terms of the main series lore, only GameFreak really controls it and thus to me, the reason why I say Blue/Green is the canonical name of the overall character from FRLG and LGPE is that it's the only name of Kanto's female protagonist to actually be confirmed by GameFreak themselves and often with the status quo with fans, such as how the unnamed Rocket Executive from Gen 2 is now referred to as Archer, the Kanto's female protagonist of FRLG is canonically Blue/Green until GameFreak says otherwise.

The second is the separate characters. The real problem why it's so nearly impossible to argue that Blue/Green of the LGPE and FRLG games are separate characters is that there isn't any actual real evidence to suggest this and evidence that people do bring up, like different Pokemon teams or different clothing, more likely suggest that these aren't separate characters, these are different counterparts of a different canon and that's the hard part. How do you convince these people that this isn't a different counterpart? That my logic exclusively suggests that this is a separate character as opposed to a different counterpart? How is this different from Red or Green Oak across the canons? The reason why Kris and Lyra stand out is that the exclusive evidence that suggest that they are separate characters and not simply counterparts is that GameFreak said it themselves.

With that being said, on another note. I can see Leaf as the English name of the anime's take on Blue.
Also in the case of Lyra and Kris(Marina), they are actually separate characters in the anime with distinct personalities and designs. They are 2 different people. In the case of Leaf/Green it doesn't matter whether or not they are differemt people since Leaf doesn't appear outside of the games anywhere except an obscure manga series. And even in the games, she's non-canon since in Pokemon Sun and Moon, you meet Red and Blue at the Battle Tree, so they are canon. For all purposes, it's just one character. Anyways, I doubt they would bother adapting Leaf right now. But IF they do, she definitely should NOT be retconned to a childhood friend of Ash and Gary (that would cheapen Serena's character revelation), they could make her Gou's older sister who confesses to every cute boy(opposite of Brock). I played the Pokemon FireRed game where she first appears(and an obscure manga is definitely way less canon than Pokemon FireRed) and she doesn't have any established personality(essentially a version of Red for girls to play since it's a remake where she is added) so she could be whatever the writers want her to be I still believe she should be a romantic character.
 

shoz999

Back when Tigers used to smoke.
Also in the case of Lyra and Kris(Marina), they are actually separate characters in the anime with distinct personalities and designs. They are 2 different people. In the case of Leaf/Green it doesn't matter whether or not they are differemt people since Leaf doesn't appear outside of the games anywhere except an obscure manga series. And even in the games, she's non-canon since in Pokemon Sun and Moon, you meet Red and Blue at the Battle Tree, so they are canon. For all purposes, it's just one character. Anyways, I doubt they would bother adapting Leaf right now. But IF they do, she definitely should NOT be retconned to a childhood friend of Ash and Gary (that would cheapen Serena's character revelation), they could make her Gou's older sister who confesses to every cute boy(opposite of Brock). I played the Pokemon FireRed game where she first appears(and an obscure manga is definitely way less canon than Pokemon FireRed) and she doesn't have any established personality(essentially a version of Red for girls to play since it's a remake where she is added) so she could be whatever the writers want her to be I still believe she should be a romantic character.
No. Blue/Green is canon. When I'm talking about the "main canon", I'm talking about the several, several canons altogether under GameFreak's creative control and nothing else, each canon timeline reflecting each other's continuity onto each other that they aren't the same but still very similar.
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Deluded Dreamer
Okay so your argument is that the Green who appears in Let's Go is the same as the one who appears in FRLG even though that fRLG is officially named as leaf and Let's Go one is Green?
Also Pokemon masters includes trainers from the games only. If green is introduced and there is already a leaf character, I'll consider it 100 percent confirmed. Well if you don't that's you but in this regard Pokemon masters can atleast be relied to show trainers from the games. Even Joe Merrick thinks they have been split and he's actually the person who gave me that masters info and idea. I just think it's very plausible. To me Blue, even in the game seems more fun in her personality if u will while leaf in Pokemon masters doesn't have that personality
 

shoz999

Back when Tigers used to smoke.
Okay so your argument is that the Green who appears in Let's Go is the same as the one who appears in FRLG even though that fRLG is officially named as leaf and Let's Go one is Green?
Also Pokemon masters includes trainers from the games only. If green is introduced and there is already a leaf character, I'll consider it 100 percent confirmed. Well if you don't that's you but in this regard Pokemon masters can atleast be relied to show trainers from the games. Even Joe Merrick thinks they have been split and he's actually the person who gave me that masters info and idea. I just think it's very plausible. To me Blue, even in the game seems more fun in her personality if u will while leaf in Pokemon masters doesn't have that personality
No, your confusing some things here. First off, I'm saying that FRLG's unnamed female protagonist is Green in much of the same way that Gen 1's unnamed male protagonist is Red by the time Gen 2 hits. Second, I still don't consider Pokemon Masters as a reliable source of information. I'm sorry if that annoys you but I don't and I think your reasoning for it works in much of the same way as past spin-offs which have been ignored for years. It's still just another spinoff to me. Third, LGPE's Green is also officially called Leaf. Canonical and Official is not the same thing. Official is a term, for this case names, where it's not a fan-name, it's a legit name recognized by GameFreak in much of the same way Satoshi is to Red or Gold is to Ethan. Canonical is a name that exists as the character's actual name in that story or world. Official terms can be non-canon and currently, Leaf is a non-canon name in the main series until GameFreak decides to legitimize it's status to canonicity. Finally, Joe Merrick is just another fan like you and me with his own opinions that can be easily deconstructed like any other opinion. With that being said, since you used Joe Merrick as your latest reason in attempt to support your argument, I take it your tired of having this discussion? I certainly am. How about we agree to disagree for now?
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Deluded Dreamer
I didn't mean to use Joe to say my argument is correct it was more as to where i got the idea and why the split can be more likely, and considering how much he has worked in the community for this site, if he considers masters an offical source it does lend some credibility but you're right. There isn't any definitive proof as of now to prove your or mine claims. Yeah let's agree to disagree. It was a fun discussion though :)
 

AznKei

Dawn & Chloe by ddangbi
Probably like her game counterpart as a jerk rival, especially that the LGPE characters were more friendly while she was the odd one. But yeah, a heated rivalry, for being jerks, would really help the recent anime.
 

Emboar_Rulez

Pokémon Master (Kinda)
Blue/Green could have been a good secondary rival for Ash but I think I would have liked it more if she had been Misty's version of Gary. Misty deserved a rival who would push her buttons and Blue/Green was a ready made manga character that was never used in the show.
Agreed would’ve been nice if green was a rival to Misty and wanted to be a grass type expert or something and that’s who Ash battles in the indigo league instead of that one grass type trainer
 

Leonhart

Imagineer
Ubermuk said:
Blue/Green could have been a good secondary rival for Ash but I think I would have liked it more if she had been Misty's version of Gary. Misty deserved a rival who would push her buttons and Blue/Green was a ready made manga character that was never used in the show.

The writers would've had to make Blue into a Water-type specialist in the anime for her to have a believable rivalry with Kasumi, otherwise I don't think that Kasumi would've been motivated enough to compete with her.
 

SerenaRulez

Well-Known Member
The writers would've had to make Blue into a Water-type specialist in the anime for her to have a believable rivalry with Kasumi, otherwise I don't think that Kasumi would've been motivated enough to compete with her.

Maybe they could've gotten on each other's nerves without them becoming rivals. In the manga Blue seems like the kind of sassy character that Misty would hate haha
 

shoz999

Back when Tigers used to smoke.
Maybe they could've gotten on each other's nerves without them becoming rivals. In the manga Blue seems like the kind of sassy character that Misty would hate haha
She is sassy in the manga but she's also very sharp-eyed and witty. For example, she could tell Misty has a crush on Red and playfully teases the two how they should live together.
 

PorcelainVulpix

currently watching LOK
Blue/Green could have been a good secondary rival for Ash but I think I would have liked it more if she had been Misty's version of Gary. Misty deserved a rival who would push her buttons and Blue/Green was a ready made manga character that was never used in the show.

They made a cotd named Andreas with that personality in the Hook, Line and Stinker episode. It's a shame he wasn't a recurring rival for Misty.
 

Leonhart

Imagineer
SerenaRulez said:
Maybe they could've gotten on each other's nerves without them becoming rivals. In the manga Blue seems like the kind of sassy character that Misty would hate haha

As long as Blue wouldn't have been turned into a "love rival", I suppose that her and Kasumi disliking each other on principle and bickering could've been entertaining to watch.
 

shoz999

Back when Tigers used to smoke.
As long as Blue wouldn't have been turned into a "love rival", I suppose that her and Kasumi disliking each other on principle and bickering could've been entertaining to watch.
Actually I can't see Blue as the one to bicker much because if you think about it, have you ever saw our Joker Blue get into heated arguments with people? Cause if I remember correctly, she's the one who causes the heated arguments, doesn't participate in any of them and gets away with it lol. Kind of like Bugs Bunny if you think about it lol.
 
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