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How comes No Creators in the Japanese Anime Industry tried to emulate the Disney/Pixar CGI Animation?

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KirliaToon50

KirliaToon50

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Yeah, I always wondered why No Creators in The Japanese Anime Industry tried to replicate or Emulate Disney/Pixar's CGI Animation? Most American Creators in American Animation Industry Successfully Animated their CGI Animation like Pixar's Inside out, Pixar's Monsters Inc, Disney's Tangled but the Japanese? Have they tried to emulate their Animation styled after Disney/Pixar's 3D Animation Software?

I wonder why.
 
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TheWanderingMist

TheWanderingMist

Paladin of the Snow Queen
KirliaToon50 said:
Yeah, I always wondered why No Creators in The Japanese Anime Industry tried to replicate or Emulate Disney/Pixar's CGI Animation? Most American Creators in American Animation Industry Successfully Animated their CGI Animation like Pixar's Inside out, Pixar's Monsters Inc, Disney's Tangled but the Japanese? Have they tried to emulate their Animation styled after Disney/Pixar's 3D Animation Software?

I wonder why.
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Because it's expensive. American animation usually has twice the amount of money poured into it as Japanese animation does.

This article (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2015-09-08/.92622) has a lot more information, but I'll quote the relevant portion here:


"The answer is still "much, much cheaper." The average American 2D TV series like The Simpsons or a Nickelodeon show can cost quite a bit of money, typically US$1-2 Million per episode. The longer a show goes on, the more it costs to produce because most of the creative staff get a bump in pay every season. Recent episodes The Simpsons now cost over $5 million per episode to make -- and Fox has been desperately trying to renegotiate everybody's contracts because the show has become unprofitable. Nobody envisioned the show being on the air for over 20 years.

On the low side of things, cable shows like Avatar: The Last Airbender and Invader Zim are estimated to have cost a little over $1 Million per episode, and the really low budget stuff can go down to about $350,000 to $500,000 per episode. It's not cheap.

Anime, however, goes much, much lower. A typical show can cost as little as US$125,000 per episode. On occasion a very well-off production can go north of US$300,000 per episode, but that's pretty rare. Budgets for an anime are never made public, but that's the general level things are at."
 
mehmeh1

mehmeh1

Not thinking twice!
TheWanderingMist said:
Because it's expensive. American animation usually has twice the amount of money poured into it as Japanese animation does.

This article (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2015-09-08/.92622) has a lot more information, but I'll quote the relevant portion here:


"The answer is still "much, much cheaper." The average American 2D TV series like The Simpsons or a Nickelodeon show can cost quite a bit of money, typically US$1-2 Million per episode. The longer a show goes on, the more it costs to produce because most of the creative staff get a bump in pay every season. Recent episodes The Simpsons now cost over $5 million per episode to make -- and Fox has been desperately trying to renegotiate everybody's contracts because the show has become unprofitable. Nobody envisioned the show being on the air for over 20 years.

On the low side of things, cable shows like Avatar: The Last Airbender and Invader Zim are estimated to have cost a little over $1 Million per episode, and the really low budget stuff can go down to about $350,000 to $500,000 per episode. It's not cheap.

Anime, however, goes much, much lower. A typical show can cost as little as US$125,000 per episode. On occasion a very well-off production can go north of US$300,000 per episode, but that's pretty rare. Budgets for an anime are never made public, but that's the general level things are at."
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I wonder what RoTMNT's per episode budget was, considering it had a lot of talented animators who (I think) were in-house rather than outsourced. Plus they had John Cena voice a major villain
 
Morax

Morax

King of heroes
KirliaToon50 said:
Yeah, I always wondered why No Creators in The Japanese Anime Industry tried to replicate or Emulate Disney/Pixar's CGI Animation? Most American Creators in American Animation Industry Successfully Animated their CGI Animation like Pixar's Inside out, Pixar's Monsters Inc, Disney's Tangled but the Japanese? Have they tried to emulate their Animation styled after Disney/Pixar's 3D Animation Software?

I wonder why.
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Because it’s expensive. Also because anime has its own aesthetic and identity which doesn't translate well into 3D CGI. Can you imagine something like my neighbour totoro or spirited away in the same style as frozen? It's very hard to pull off.


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mehmeh1

mehmeh1

Not thinking twice!
Morax said:
Because it’s expensive. Also because anime has its own aesthetic and identity which doesn't translate well into 3D CGI. Can you imagine something like my neighbour totoro or spirited away in the same style as frozen? It's very hard to pull off.


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Though there have been some CGI movies, like that recent DQ movie
 
TheCharredDragon

TheCharredDragon

Tis the Hour to Reload
Well for me it's the lack of lines/edges that make the "anime art style" go away.

I mean look at modern Guilty Gear (because that's literally the first thing I think of when I think good 3D anime...despite it not being an anime but an animr fighting game). It's 3D anime style is so good at looking like anime that I didn't even realize it was 3D for a good while until I saw a freakin' video that analyzed what they did and the ways they went through to achieve it. I still forget the models are 3D a lot of the time.
 
BlueFlameCharizard

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The Original Shiny Pokemon
A tad bit late, but I don't frequent these forums as much as I did oh so many years ago. But there are a few exceptional pieces that were done entirely in 3d. The Lupin the 3rd movie that came out like, a couple of years back is probably one of the best transitions from 2d animation to 3d that I've seen them do to date:


They did a really good job keeping the characters looking just like they did in the original show as they do in this movie. Pretty spot on entirely.
 
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KirliaToon50

KirliaToon50

Snivy.
BlueFlameCharizard said:
A tad bit late, but I don't frequent these forums as much as I did oh so many years ago. But there are a few exceptional pieces that were done entirely in third. The Lupin the 3rd movie that came out like, a couple of years back is probably one of the best transitions from 2d animation to 3d that I've seen them do to date:


They did a really good job keeping the characters looking just like they did in the original show as they do in this movie. Pretty spot on entirely.
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Whoa. this film seems like They are actually emulating Disney/Pixar's style of 3D Animation, I'm surprised that Japanese can replicate or Emulating Pixar/Disney's 3D Animation style without it being messed up.

I'm Impressed.
 
Kutie Pie

Kutie Pie

"It is my destiny."
The Japanese don't need to emulate Disney/Pixar in the slightest when they can do their own frigging thing by themselves just fine.
Spirits Within may have bombed, but this was actually a super important moment for 3D animation. It was so important, it scared celebrities like Tom Hanks shitless because they thought they were going to be replaced with animated actors through motion-capture. Notice that neither Disney nor Pixar freaked them out like this; Toy Story was seen as a technical marvel, but it didn't make them go "Oh my God, we're gonna be obsolete!"

Disney and Fleischer were the inspirations for manga/anime, however, Japanese animators legit don't need their influence anymore, and most likely hasn't been for a while now. But as long as Japanese personal computer usage is low, animators are gonna need to have more time and budget to work with 3D. Which we've been seeing for a while now, and I agree Lupin III: The First is such a joy (but you have to keep in mind the characters didn't look much different from what was in American comics at the time, particularly Mad magazine), but the Japanese are going to do their own thing.

Legit, look at Gantz:O and tell me that it doesn't look awesome.

Or 2013's Captain Harlock.

Or Doraemon: Stand By Me, which is exactly what you're looking for:

Pokémon's foray into CGI with Mewtwo Strikes Back Evolution I don't think was as much of a trainwreck as people say it is, but the eyes were the most off-putting, admittedly. If they had just changed that up a bit to make them less oval-shaped, I think the human characters would've looked much more pleasing to the eyes.
 
Morax

Morax

King of heroes
BlueFlameCharizard said:
A tad bit late, but I don't frequent these forums as much as I did oh so many years ago. But there are a few exceptional pieces that were done entirely in third. The Lupin the 3rd movie that came out like, a couple of years back is probably one of the best transitions from 2d animation to 3d that I've seen them do to date:


They did a really good job keeping the characters looking just like they did in the original show as they do in this movie. Pretty spot on entirely.
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Looks almost better than the original lol. If only they did this for cowboy bebop…
 
UltimateNinja

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Praying for the holy relics
Honestly I never was into Disney CGI and I am glad the japanese studios kept it more simple.
 
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