randomspot555
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...That isn't fighting fire with fire.
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How do YOU counter Garchomp... (Discussion and BRAINSTORM!)
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...That isn't fighting fire with fire.
BloodthirstPriest
I don't speak monkey
"Freak" owns
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i say theres no way to counter garchomp, however if a abomasnow has a sub up blizzard would kill it
Rhyperior will fall to STAB'd Eearthquakes.
kinder surprise
Banned
there seems to be numerous counters without the inclusion of yache berry. so then y cant we just ban garchomp having that held item as apposed to banning him all together.
randomspot555
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Because it still isn't counterable. Band and Scarfed are also sets to worry about.
Bloodthirspriest: He forgot to take into account the damage Cloyster would take switching INTO an attack from Chomp.
And two ice attacks on one Pokemon, more or less specifically designed for Garchomp? Sounds like over centralizing to me.
Umbreon-dana
Phat Philanthropist
Let's look at Garchomp in its happy little Uber tier....
What Pokemon can outspeed it?
Lugia, Latias, Latios, Mewtwo, Darkrai, Deoxys-A, Deoxys, Arceus.
Out of those Pokemon, which can take hits?
Lugia.
Arceus.
Out of those two, who can OHKO YacheChomp?
Arceus.
Is it banned?
Yes.
Therefore, Garchomp is uncounterable.
What Pokemon can outspeed it?
Lugia, Latias, Latios, Mewtwo, Darkrai, Deoxys-A, Deoxys, Arceus.
Out of those Pokemon, which can take hits?
Lugia.
Arceus.
Out of those two, who can OHKO YacheChomp?
Arceus.
Is it banned?
Yes.
Therefore, Garchomp is uncounterable.
BloodthirstPriest
I don't speak monkey
No, cloyster would switch into it during sword dance. 2 ice attacks?
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 2 ice shards with yache berry on garchomp is enough to kill it. Now the point of ice beam and ice shard is, in my opinion, for this:
Cloyster uses ice beam, yache berry is used, and garchomp uses outrage, but both cloyster and garchomp risk fainting the next hit. The garchomp user wonders if he should switch, but decides not to, since he thinks cloyster only has one ice attack, namely, ice beam, and because he already has a sword dance and can't risk losing it by switching, but when he attacks, he is knocked out with ice shard. The use of 2 ice moves is more of an element of surprise.
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Volteon
Back I guess??
It helps Salamence, not Garchomp D:
Salamence still needs less S.atk to KO, Salamence doesn't own Stealth Rock resistence (the opposite), Salamence still doesn't own Swords Dance, Salamence still doesn't get STAB in two of the best moves from the game, Salamence still gets screwed by Thunder Wave, all attacks on Salamence have full accuracy to hit all the time... eh, you get the idea. Mence is still outsped by Chomp.
Salamence could carry Draco Meteor or Dragon Claw for Garchomp, it could OKHO before, but still does not get a chance to power up Salamence enough to counter Chomp.
And nothing else got Ice Shard or any other important Ice move. Barring Ice Punch, which or they could use it before with Emerald access or they couldn't and are still outspeed and OHKOed by Chomp.
Salamence still needs less S.atk to KO, Salamence doesn't own Stealth Rock resistence (the opposite), Salamence still doesn't own Swords Dance, Salamence still doesn't get STAB in two of the best moves from the game, Salamence still gets screwed by Thunder Wave, all attacks on Salamence have full accuracy to hit all the time... eh, you get the idea. Mence is still outsped by Chomp.
Salamence could carry Draco Meteor or Dragon Claw for Garchomp, it could OKHO before, but still does not get a chance to power up Salamence enough to counter Chomp.
And nothing else got Ice Shard or any other important Ice move. Barring Ice Punch, which or they could use it before with Emerald access or they couldn't and are still outspeed and OHKOed by Chomp.
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DarkLegend
The Grand Draconian
PorygonZ @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability ---> 2x STAB
EV's: 252/252 for Special Attack/Speed
Nature: Timid
IV's: Best possible (31) for Speed
Moveset:
Hyberbeam ---> That 150 power must have some use!
Filler
Filler
Filler
Timid and Speed IV's help to outrun Speed Ev trained Garchomp while Choice Specs and Adaptability (hopefully) obliterate the damn thing. Thank the lord and switch out PorygonZ after Garchomp faints
Also, if you can 31 IV's in BOTH Speed and Special Attack, then you should have no worries
Ability: Adaptability ---> 2x STAB
EV's: 252/252 for Special Attack/Speed
Nature: Timid
IV's: Best possible (31) for Speed
Moveset:
Hyberbeam ---> That 150 power must have some use!
Filler
Filler
Filler
Timid and Speed IV's help to outrun Speed Ev trained Garchomp while Choice Specs and Adaptability (hopefully) obliterate the damn thing. Thank the lord and switch out PorygonZ after Garchomp faints
Also, if you can 31 IV's in BOTH Speed and Special Attack, then you should have no worries
randomspot555
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The false counter's posted move set has Ice Shard AND Ice Beam.
If it ONLY works in a Swords Dance, it relies on prediction and thus luck. It isn't a counter.
If it survives, yes.
A counter has to COME INTO AN ATTACK, take minimal/no damage, and then take down the opposition.. Porygon-Z has horrible defenses and can't afford to come in on ANYTHING.
metalxnerd
<-- i love you
you all seem to forget that garchomp can switch>_>
your cloyster( or enter your other "counter" ) isnt going to do too well after two switches into EQ's with stealth rock up.
your cloyster( or enter your other "counter" ) isnt going to do too well after two switches into EQ's with stealth rock up.
BloodthirstPriest
I don't speak monkey
Don't all pokemon run away from the pokemon that counter them?
I know, the question was there to criticize.
If it takes 66-78% damage from an outrage from garchomp after a sword dance, then surely it can survive another form of garchomp.
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Umbreon-dana
Phat Philanthropist
Scarfgar's Shadow Ball.
You know what? It's mini-log time!
Fail switched in Weavile (Lv100 Weavile ?).
Pointed rocks dug into Weavile!
Weavile lost 25% of its health.
Garchomp used *whatever*
Weavile lost 75% of its health.
Fail's Weavile fanted!
Weavile didin't do **** against Garchomp!
Um try again, it reaches 306 Speed, while StandardChomp reaches 333.
Rofl, Ubers can counter Garchomp just fine. You don't need to outspeed it. Lugia doesn't need to OHKO, it's bulkier than Cresselia. Scarf Kyogre can switch in on one attack and scare it off with Ice Beam, Yache or no. It's not that hard at all.
No, because that's not the way things are done. Pokemon are judged on how powerful they are at their fullest potential. You can't ban all attacking moves on Deoxys-A and call it OU.
No, because that's not the way things are done. Pokemon are judged on how powerful they are at their fullest potential. You can't ban all attacking moves on Deoxys-A and call it OU.
Rofl, Ubers can counter Garchomp just fine. You don't need to outspeed it. Lugia doesn't need to OHKO, it's bulkier than Cresselia. Scarf Kyogre can switch in on one attack and scare it off with Ice Beam, Yache or no. It's not that hard at all.
No, because that's not the way things are done. Pokemon are judged on how powerful they are at their fullest potential. You can't ban all special moves from Kyogre and call it OU.
No, because that's not the way things are done. Pokemon are judged on how powerful they are at their fullest potential. You can't ban all special moves from Kyogre and call it OU.
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