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How do you expect the writers to go about writing the 8th gen?

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by Power Up, Apr 20, 2018.

  1. satopi

    satopi SM Ash is best Ash! All hail Champion Ash!

    All they gotta do is tick Ash off and he’ll revert back to his savage ways. And despite OS having good dialogue, it’s hard to write a character without seeming passive aggressive in Japanese. And I disagree with Ash being too much of a good boy to say something to snap back at someone. He lashed out at someone at least once in every saga and he’s only patient when it comes to training.

    Y’all really want Ash trying to fist fight Team Rocket like he tried to in the OS?:p
     
  2. Xuxuba

    Xuxuba Well-Known Member

    Well, he was savage mainly towards Misty and i believe it was thanks to their interactions that he changed as a person and started being more empathetic towards people in general, although it might be difficult to notice that since OS is such a long series and it's a really slow progress when it comes to them gaining each other's trust and respect. Not to mention sometimes that development is more subtle than it should be, but i do think it's there.

    After their relationship as friends grew, Ash realized that most of the criticisms Misty made was out of worry for his pokémon and Misty understood that he did care for his pokémon, he just needed time to grow as a trainer, which he eventually did.

    By the end of the OS, you can see that Ash finally acknowledges Misty as a great friend and he is visibly upset over her departure (even though he doesn't show it in the beggining). That is why when she appears again in the show he is far more nice with her.

    He was also savage towards Team Rocket, which i do agree that died down quite a bit, but you can still see it every now and then.

    Overall, i wouldn't mind him being more "savage" again, as long as his change in behaviour was justified. I think it would be reasonable if he acted like that towards a villain or a recurrent character that really liked to push his buttons, even more than Misty did.

    However, there is no point in making him that way again if they aren't able to actually write ironic jokes that focus on witty dialogue instead of just pure slapstick comedy (and i am not too confident they will be able to pull it off). Otherwise, it would just sound like he is being mean and would serve no comedic purpose.
     
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  3. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's just him being 'savage' but also that he was FAR more self aware in the early episodes. He was kind of an audience surrogate in that he emphasised with what a silly world the show took part in. He was the most observant and weary to something weird screwing him over, or Team Rocket being set to come in with a stupid plan, or a COTD or companion's agendas being brainless, while by BW and XY he's by far the LEAST likely to do so. By XY he's an outright drone to the formula, he never questions the plot nor does it him, which makes him feel considerably less 'alive' as a character. SM, while keeping him hopelessly optimistic and naive, did return this element of him to a lesser degree. He can notice negative or absurd qualities in people or when he is being picked on by the plot, even if he isn't relentlessly blunt about it.
     
  4. J.Agera

    J.Agera Don't push your luck.

    I don't think writers really intended to make him feel like a self aware character.
    Yeah, he was impatient and "savage", in my eyes he just grew more patient and understanding.
    Although I do think he should be annoyed with team rocket and villains every now and then.
    And I didn't notice anything "self aware" about SM Ash, apart from the fact that he snapped once.
     
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  5. Maybe it is just the time and it does not fit anymore?
     
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  6. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    What I mean is that Ash, as impetuous as he was early on, was often a straight man and knew about all the formula and weird things around him, while later Ash never lampshaded these things and feels like a mindless slave to what the plot needs him to do (eg. OS Ash was always suspicious towards another Team Rocket scheme while by XY he's the one companion who next to never catches onto stuff like Meowth pretending to be good and always acts like it's the first time him and the TRio met or something, he also seems pretty through-the-motions with his companions while early Ash knew all his allies' quirks). SM sort of has that similar observance back, like say the Necrozma arc where he immediately notices something is up with Kukui just because his shirt is buttoned. He doesn't have to be impatient and rude to actually notice how things work.
     
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  7. J.Agera

    J.Agera Don't push your luck.

    I see what you are getting at. But to me it seems like he just stopped paying attention and became more pre-occupied with his goal from mid AG-DP onwards.
    The XY Director was a completely new director and it was his first time directing Ash so yeah, he wasn't flawless.
    I do agree to make him more self aware though, especially towards team rocket and villains.
    About Kukui's shirt, it was a gag imo, like SM always does, Didn't really feel "self aware" that much.
     
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  8. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Daikuro, Keeper Of The Gates Ambitious

    Yes. Yes I do. It was hilarious.
     
  9. Leonhart

    Leonhart The Lying King

    He's seemed to get more accustomed to the Rocket-dan's meddling in recent sagas, almost like he knows it's inevitable that they'll appear and now he just can't be bothered to show much passion. I expect that to remain the same in Galar.
     
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  10. Bortgreen

    Bortgreen SM is adorable... Until November

    I hope they give Ash a theme song as good as this one
     
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