How do you feel about the dreaded 'R'?

[Yami Ryu]

I don't think anyone's made a thread like this before .. but well, how do you feel about it in stories?

And I mean R in the sexual sort of way. I see it as well, what it is. Sex. Yeah it can be done when you are in love but it doesn't mean you really love the person, and those that confuse sex as love are either misguided/misinformed, or don't understand the true concept of love and got blinded by lust.

I find for the most part I don't like senseless R. You know for no reason two characters just go at it and start ****ing. Or worse, when people that obviously have no sense of what happen write it: And you know who you are. I've seen you here, there and everywhere.

These people make me laugh. Seriously, it's like imagining two stick figures going at it.

Now I was once one of these people, but unlike most of the others, I realised, that one: the r didn't fit/wasn't needed in my story. And two: I was bad at it.

So I just waited a year or two, got older, researched and etc about R before writing about it. Yeah I was squimish at first but sometimes I have found a few of my fics needed that sort of R. Not to just be qualified to be rated R/Mature, just well, it was like a phase to me. But I made sure it fit before writing it.

Anyways I ramble. But, well back to the point:

How do you feel about R/Sex/XXX/NC-17 in fics. About the people that write it. And about the people that write it at badly/etc.

And please don't turn this into a flamewar or something like that :/ this is supposed to be a mature discussion.

 

[Neko Godot]

How do you feel about R/Sex/XXX/NC-17 in fics. About the people that write it. And about the people that write it at badly/etc.

Well, I say avoid R in a story unless its absolutely necasary. R will tend to turn away readers. Though if its written well, it may be better.

 

[The Great Butler]

Personally, I've included only two characters who we definitely know 'did it' through a later event, though I have used double-meaning jokes a few times to hint at it too. There have also been other hinted-at sexual pairings (most notably Verich+Parfrida, which we know happened because she was revealed as the mother of his sons.)

I don't know what any of my ramblings just now had anything to do with this, however.......

So, yeah, uh......just using sex without a good reason will hurt your fic. But if you use it properly and maturely, and it fits in the context of the plot, it could work very well.

 

[CyberCubed]

R sex-wise really doesn't bother me unless its rape.

 

[IceKing]

So I just waited a year or two, got older, researched and etc about R before writing about it.

I'm a bit curious as to what kind of research you did to write about sex.


To be honest, I've never really come across a fic I was reading where the charachters did it, but I suppose I wouldn't mind it as I wouldn't mind violence. I'm mature enough to read sex scenes without giggling, unless its written in a overdramatic way where you just HAVE to burst out laughing.

And I don't mind people who write them badly. It just provides for a good laugh at what a juvenille view of sex is. Like that one dude who thought a woman's hay-hay was positioned where a guy's hoo-hah was.



That's my opinion. Keep on researchin' Renegade!

 

[Seijiro Mafuné]

Oh, look, I'm replying to a topic about sex, how interestingly not-random.

Anyway, I have to say this: as long as it's well-written, not aimless, and actually tries to have a plot that doesn't flow around the violence/sex, it's good.

And considering I wrote a sexual feic between a human and a Pokémon, I have this to say as well: species don't matter in the Pokémon fandom. Pokémon are NOT brainless animals living on instincts alone, they're capable of being as human as one can be - and that means it's NOT common bestiality to have a human and a Pokémon have sex.

Also, in my defense, the canon ALREADY allows so many philias in it, it's not funny nor my fault it's useable.

 

[The Big Al]

I'm not a sex writer and I frankly don't see the need in writing about sex. Sex is something that tends to happen behind closed doors and that's how I tend to treat it. And unless you're good at writing about sex, you're better off leaving it alone. Nothing like a badly written sex scene to turn me off from a book.

 

[Seijiro Mafuné]

Riiiiiiiiiiight... so you're saying that using sexuality (without being R) is okay, but as soon as there's naked skin, it's wrongful shyste? Just because it's mostly private doesn't mean there isn't a curiosity.

Besides, who better to write about your own personal fantasies than yourself? (Interesting facet: despite this argument, I actually don't really work these out on my fics... and yes, that is despite the fact that Something is pretty much based on a sexual-heavy chapter.)

 

[Dragonfree]

If the sex belongs there, then write it. Otherwise, just don't.

Of course, if you write a fic that in its entirety revolves around the sex, you're generally doing so in order to turn yourself/others on, and that doesn't make for anything of particularly much literary value in my book in general, irrelevant of what the situation in the story actually is, but if you feel like writing that anyway, I won't stop you.

 

[Ledian_X]

I have a couple love scenes in my story so I've decided to reply. In my case, sex was done in a way that it is implied that they're going to do knock boots and turn on the Barry White. I showed some nudity but wrote nothing more or less than hugging and kissing. The people doing the deed love each other deeply and it's been shown in comics so it is okay. It's just realistic. Just don't have the girl have sex with her rapist.

So, it's obvious my view is that writing about it is fine. If the situation calls for it and the two are in love, than go for it. I did it to advance the plot. To show a better time for two characters and to advance the character development of the other two. In that case, she needed to find out if she could lovve someone in that way because she was raped. And he said "Are you sure?" She said. "Yes."

Rape though, I won't write. I got creepped out enough writing my character confronting her rapist and he was basically thinking with his dick. I did however allude to my character telepathically reliving it and being utterly repulsed by the act.

In my opinion, it's okay to write it as long as you don't go into detail. Just imply it. Maybe show some deep kisses and the guy taking his shirt off. Then you switch scenes and boom. Next time u see them he's like "Wow" and she's smokin' a cigarette or somethin'. JK about that last part.

So, that's what I'd do. Just don't have sex for sex. If you want to do it, make it as romantic as possible. Just no need to mention body partss and ways to do it. That'd make the R rating. Just have it go with the story is all.

LX

 

[Yami Ryu]

I'm a bit curious as to what kind of research you did to write about sex.

Ah-ah-ah, that'd be telling...


...

XD sorry couldn't resist. The research I did was well, basically a self education of sex ed and the sorts XD meaning I read lots of stories, was once stuck in a chat with 5 guys and the topic was random, going from chicken I think, to sex XD so that was my reaserch

And I don't mind people who write them badly. It just provides for a good laugh at what a juvenille view of sex is. Like that one dude who thought a woman's hay-hay was positioned where a guy's hoo-hah was.

Or her box of love and his breeding rod? XD I came across a fic like that and god, it made me laugh, so yeah IceKing, you're right that it does provide a laugh.

That's my opinion. Keep on researchin' Renegade!

I will

and Seijiro honor my topic with the pleasure of not starting a flame war. :/ people have the right to dislike sex in fics. And tbh, your 'pokemon x human' scene was badly done. So anyways. Please, no trolling :/

R sex-wise really doesn't bother me unless its rape.

Or when idiots have the rape victims love their rapists? :/ I ran into a few like that. Or those old 'lets rape May/Misty/somecharacterwedon't like!' fics. Yeah. I'm bothered by that/hate that the most

 

[PDL]

If it's tasteful, I might read it.

but count me out if it's a fic about an author insertion being raped by their favourite character.

 

[Shadowcat]

Me?

I can say one of the successful NC-17 Fics here is Encyclopika's one. Sure, it was shipping. Sure, there was sex in it. But there was character development at first. Not just a one-shot on sex. She developed her idea into a span of eight to ten chapters (Gyah, I can't remember)

Also, if R rated counts as death and blood and gore and stabbing yourself with a knife to you bleed to death, you can expect that kind of R rated fic from me (WHAT!? It was based on a song).

 

[IceKing]

To add on the list of "taboo" with rape, I personally am not too fond of underage sex, especially involving a certain overdeveloped TEN YEAR OLD.


....I really hate to get off-topic, but I'm just curious, with your defense of PokemonxHuman being non-beastiality because some pokemon are very intelligent, does that mean HumanxTalking Dog isn't beastiality?


Keep on self-educating Renegade!

 

[Encyclopika]

She developed her idea into a span of eight to ten chapters (Gyah, I can't remember)

<3 9, but you were very close. =P
And yeah, I've written NC17 and tend to do it again shortly. =P My input - do whatever you want and if I feel up to it, I'll read it. Badly written sex isn't really all that funny because it just sucks out everything it was supposed to be - passionate, expression of love...not some rape or one night stand, though unlike most, I'd wouldn't double over rape, even if the rapist was "in love" with his or her victim. The insanity route is something that could be looked into with those sorts of scenarios, and if that's what it is, I'm all for it.
How do I feel about people who write sex? We are all brave souls tredding into water no one likes daring to tred in. I think that the fact that we write it even with all the trouble and behind-back talking we know we'll get, is pretty respectable in its own right, highly separated from the actual fic.
Going into gore, yes, is all I have to say, especially if you're going for horror, I think you actually want to freak out your readers. In that case, it should be encouraged. ^_-

 

[Bling King]

I've had the misfortune of reading such R sex fics (only small parts though, thank God) and let me tell you, it is completely un-needed. They just drive readers away. If sex is in a fanfic, keep it behind closed doors and don't focus on it. Say, if the hero saves the day and gets girl, leave a hint or something. We don't need some disgusting epilogue.

If anyone wants an example of a disgusting R fic, some dude called Sinder wrote some VG Cats fics a while back, and they had nothing to do with games, the characters were nothing like they are in the comic, and it was disturbing crap, and I only use crap to keep my opinion in one word and to not set off swear filters.

...and I only read 2/10 of the story.

 

[The Big Al]

Riiiiiiiiiiight... so you're saying that using sexuality (without being R) is okay, but as soon as there's naked skin, it's wrongful shyste? Just because it's mostly private doesn't mean there isn't a curiosity.

You misunderstand me. I said poorly written sex scenes are a turn off. And I aid I'm not one to write about sex. I write about space battles, political intrigue, Pokemon fighting one another, controlling the weather, and that kind of thing. I'm a Science Fiction/Political Thriller writer.

 

[Psychic]

Well, I’m completely open to all kinds of fics, and I really don’t mind R rated ones, whether R is violent killing or sex. I will read fics with sex, and I can keep from giggling- if the writer is serious about it in the first place. I think it’s all about the writer, their opinions, views and how seriously they take it. For instance, if it’s an immature person the scene isn’t going to be really well-written and will probably end up being rather humorous. If a younger person wrote it but didn’t know much about it the fic would be harder to take seriously because they won’t know what they’re talking about. People who put in sex for the sole sake of sex are usually sick, sick people just trying to turn themselves or other people on, and this is one of the few cases where I will have to turn away.
The absolute best case is when a mature person writes about it tastefully, doing it for reasons such as character development or something that has to do with the plot, mainly advancing it or making it deeper and graver, making it more serious or dramatic. In this case, the people having sex in the story don’t even have to love each other- not to say rape because usually writing it is either the sicko or immature person, but in real life, not everyone who has sex is in love with the other person, and that is the honest truth. This is where you want to give it a touch more realism. Of course, I think the loving relationship produces more passionate, ‘beautiful’ sex.

Is it okay to show Pokémon having sex? To an extent, but I don’t think it would be as deep and meaningful. I believe Seijiro is partly right in saying Pokémon are not animals driven only by instinct, but they are certainly not as intelligent as humans. Pokémon sex will be more…violent? Less passionate? Less beautiful? Depends on how the writer wants to portray Pokémon intelligence in the fic, but I don’t think it will have the meaning of human sex either way.

Human and Pokémon sex is much more taboo, but I’ll talk about it anyway. Basically, I think that it is okay, to a certain extent. There are limitation, such as, sorry to shoot down some Shippers, but Ash can not, and should not ever even attempt to have sex with his Chikorita. That’s the basic equivalent of a human having sex with a dog. Even if Chikorita isn’t this animal who cares only about fighting and having sex, then it’s still like, as IceKing basically said, a human having sex with a talking dog. Despite the intelligence, it’s rather wrong.
However, I think some Pokémon can have sex with humans without it being a huge issue. For instance, Machoke are humanoid and could probably be mistaken for a human at times. Gardevoir really looks like a human wearing a dress. No huge differences in size, shape, height or weight, and it could certainly work. I think it would be possible for humans to have sex with most Pokémon in the Humanshape Egg Group, and even a few others who are basically bipedal.
If the sex isn’t portrayed as being too animalistic, I am fine with it. Is it bestiality? Basically, yes. But it could work. Not to get too graphic, but the organs could be of proportional sizes so that it could work out perfectly fine. Though a really talented, mature writer may be able to pull off a scene where a human has sex with a Pokémon that isn’t humanoid, though it must be serious and tasteful, to at least an extent.



So, to summarize a rather long, elaborate opinion, it’s perfectly fine to have sex in a fic, as long as it’s done by the right person with the right attitude. In the story, there should be a proper mood set and the proper circumstances so it doesn’t seem unnecessary. The characters should be doing it for a real reason, and it should be the right characters.

All these aspects have to be properly combined to make the scene, no matter how small, mature and tasteful, not something done just for the sake of it.


~Psychic

 

[Astinus]

I myself read it if it is done tastefully. Though, all I keep thinking of is the advice of Terry R. Hickman, a professional writer, "Give me a boot scene anytime." Sex is just something that loses a part of itself when placed down on paper. Sometimes, if done well, like in Encyclopika's "Treehouse Saga", it adds character development. However, you don't get every little detail of what "throbbed" or what "pulsed." Hickman enjoys "boot scenes" in his books because of the lack of character development and how sex is almost meaningless on the written page.

(A boot scene comes from the first season of Star Trek. It's where Capt. Kirk and the alien princess go into the bedroom, then the scene shifts to Spock fighting, and then we are back with Kirk putting on his boots. Hence, the "boot scene.")

You can tell when it is going to be written badly. I just have a feeling when I click on a fic that it was written solely for the sake of sex. The characters are flat and human-less. The plot...Well, there is no plot. It's just a major free-for-all love fest. :/

Just as long as it is the story influencing the sex, and not the sex influencing the story, then it is good.

And I have not written a sex scene in a while. I find that I just can't imagine it in my head. So sue me for my issues. :x

 

[Sike Saner]

Meh, sex in fics doesn't offend me. No mere words of fiction on a piece of paper or a computer screen have that power over me. XP It's not something that particularly interests me either - sex isn't something that'll specifically draw me to a fic, just as it's not something that'll drive me away from one, either. I find well-written sexuality in a story to be enjoyable just like well-written material of any sort. As for poorly-written sex, well, that can often be good for a laugh. XP