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How should gen 8 ash be handled?

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by mehmeh1, Nov 5, 2018.

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  1. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    I'm fine with SM's characteristics, only MAYBE downplay the slapstick butt monkey role. Not A LOT as it makes him endearing but just sort of along the lines of his fair turn. I think what makes people consider him the designated monkey is that, while other characters do get targeted for butt monkey moments too, Ash is usually doing it full time. Kiawe AND ASH are the butt monkey of the episode, or Lillie AND ASH, and usually he gets it worse for comedic effect, which I think also deemphasises said characters' individual low moments and pathos. Even when you want to feel sorry for one of the others falling down the stairs, you usually have to feel sorry for Ash falling down a cliff more.

    Besides that Ash is primarily a happy hard to break character, and while it's admirable how much he shrugs off, I feel there should be more moments he's allowed to STAY happy. He doesn't have to revert to being dull because of it, there's plenty other ways Ash's personality can still contribute to the humour after all (eg. the spa episode which is one of the rare times he's instigating slapstick and humiliation through his innocent fooling, or the start of the Necrozma arc which actually brings back his earlier snarky side).
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  2. Draydenheim

    Draydenheim Dragon Master

    I think they seriously need to reign his character in in gen 8, Ash has too many powers at the moment.

    To date, we have seen Ash:
    -Extended his arms unrealistically wide and long (Mirage Pokemon anime arc)
    -Fly around (Manaphy film)
    -Control aurans just like a pokemon does (Lucario film)
    -KISS a pokemon (Latias film)
    -Fly around AGAIN (Original Mewtwo film)
    -Fall off the earth and be just fine (Victini movie)

    They need to bring him back to just being an ordinary boy who is incapable of dealing with problems. There's a few ways they could do this.
    • They could add some sort of amnesia arc to the anime where he is in a championship battle and someone bashes Ash's head against a rock (by accident) and all of his memories of how to fly etc go away.
    • They could also have a drowsee or other predatory pokemon to eat Ass's sleep, and he was dreaming about kissing pokemon or flying so he forgets how to do so (perhaps the drowsee gains these abilities?) Then he catches the drowsee in order to get his memories back at a future date (Leading to a GS ball-style arc). In some episodes the drosee could tell him small facts about his past life or you couls hear Misty's voice at the end of each episode saying "wake up ash you have to wake up"
    • Or to make things more interesting they could have an episode where team rocket invents a machine to steal his memories but accidentally hits one of his friends with it instead, allowing him to keep his abilities
  3. U.N. Owen

    U.N. Owen In Brightest Day, In Blackest Night ...

    I chalk a good deal of this to anime physics, not special powers. And how is kissing a pokemon considered a power?
  4. Draydenheim

    Draydenheim Dragon Master

    How come Brock or Todd or The Others are never seen to fly around or kiss pokemon then? they are anime characters too. to me it seems more like favouritism from the writers. They've even said in interviews that people who think Ash will be replaced by a new anime protagonist are "extremely foolish"
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  5. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    In fairness Ash has pretty much already forgotten doing most of those things anyway, they're just new powers as the plot demands (except maybe surviving a cliff, that's just Wile E Coyote physics, if Ash is condemned for that, Team Rocket must be ten fold).

    The bigger thing I think they should dumb down is the recurring 'chosen one' gimmick. I think that's what interferes more in him being a normal boy that proves he can still be remarkable. You can tell SM is trying with that but still have the legendaries giving him gifts at every turn for no reason.

    As said one plot idea I thought might work is completely turning it 180 and having Ash turned into a Pokemon outright for a long running arc. Maybe at the start of the series so the companions just think he's a normal Pokemon and thus the focus can be on them as trainers and Ash more in a Pokemon role getting accustomed to his new form until he can change back.
  6. Epicocity

    Epicocity Well-Known Member

    You realize all the issues you have here are from the movies and not the actual series, right? Aura is about the only thing not generally anime-related that carried over into the series proper, and even then it was watered down (especially since Ash needed Sir Aaron's gloves in the movie) to him just being able to find Riolu...which is hardly an isolated concept once Gen VI rolled around and Mega Evolution users could locate their partners.
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  7. LilligantLewis

    LilligantLewis primarina donna

    It wasn't a Pokémon (#TEAMBIANCA)
  8. LadyTriox

    LadyTriox Brave & Girly Korrina Fangirl

    I was thinking:

    -Ash should travel with Dawn again, and maybe some fairy type specialist girl.
    -Korrina should be Ash's rival (and, later on, the regional champion for gen 8)
    -Pearlshipping should happen. :3

    These are good ideas IMO.
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  9. I think they need to make a combo of his XY and SM personality. Not giving him everything, but he has to work hard for it. Times like Ash-Greninja and Infernape. I wouldnt mind catching him a female pokémon where he has to learn to handle her girliness.
  10. Barry Hernandez

    Barry Hernandez Well-Known Member

    I agree with these pretty much. These would work well.
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  11. PorcelainVulpix

    PorcelainVulpix justice for johto

    I just want the writers to give Ash the competence he had in DP while allowing him to have a personality and be interesting like in OS and SM.

    I know I’m asking for too much but one can dream.
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  12. Give him original outfit for once, I don't want another rip-off of player character's attire.

    With customization being a thing in the games it shouldn't be a problem to let him wear something different than player's default clothes.
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  13. SpecsTauros

    SpecsTauros Best Wishes Apologist

    I think they should bring back BW Ash. I'm the only person who thinks this but I will stand by it being a good take on making him feel a bit more mature and mellow than OS without making him as paste-dull as AG/DP/XY Ash. I liked him being a chill idiot. I will die on this h
  14. satopi

    satopi SM Ash is best Ash! All hail Champion Ash!

    It’ll be cool if one of his Pokémon went on the next saga with him like Aipom did.
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  15. Redstar45


    Or have gf and tpc to let him wear some real red's outfit this time around and have him back to mix ag era and dp/xyz skill wise and his personality back to the Classic os era with his hot blood fire for battles

    Oh i had idea for him for ss ani !? Have him bit a madman for love Pokemon battle or him like when poke king take over his body in the bf era .
  16. SatoSereFan224888

    SatoSereFan224888 Well-Known Member

    Ash shouldn’t be the main character in Galar. The anime needs a new hero. Ash is never becoming a Pokémon master. Or he is now a mentor for young trainers starting their journeys. Also, he is married to Serena and they have a daughter who wants to be a trainer like her daddy used to be.
  17. Redstar45


    As amourshipper or something like that (even as former Pokeshipper myself) Satoshi will ever never will be ending with pokegirl himself.
  18. SatoSereFan224888

    SatoSereFan224888 Well-Known Member

    Still I think he should be replaced as the main hero.
  19. AznKei

    AznKei Competing against players in Match Masters. XD

    He won't. He's the face of the anime and probably the whole franchise too if the Pokemon Go easter egg from a month ago was any indication.

    As for the Ash becoming a daddy and has a kid. You took this at some fanarts from some skilled Amourshipper fans at DeviantArt right?
  20. SatoSereFan224888

    SatoSereFan224888 Well-Known Member

    The Pokémon Go thing was an April Fools joke. As for the kid thing, when Sun & Moon were announced, I thought the girl seemed like she could be Serena & Ash’s daughter.
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