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How strong is Ash-Greninja?

Discussion in 'Animé Polls' started by Genaller, Jan 8, 2017.


What range of power is Ash-Greninja in?

  1. Weaker than any E4 lvl or higher Pokémon

  2. E4 non-Ace lvl

  3. E4 Ace lvl

  4. Champion Ace lvl

  5. Champion Mega lvl

  1. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    I'd say ~ Champion Ace lvl.
  2. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja XY(Z) is the best!!!

    Definitely Champion Ace level. The Diantha battle proves it. It was definitely above Base Gardevoir and dealt severe damage to Mega Gardevoir knocking it of its feet.
  3. Wednesdayz

    Wednesdayz Banned

    I don't see how. Greninja didn't win. :confused:
  4. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja XY(Z) is the best!!!

    It forced Diantha to Mega Evolve Gardevoir by overwhelming Base Gardevoir and dealt severe damage to Mega Gardevoir sending it flying back after which Ash and Greninja suddenly passed out. If they didn't pass out at that time, they could have also won as Gardevoir fell to its knees in exhaustion afterwards.
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2017
  5. snorlax512

    snorlax512 Well-Known Member

    base Champion ace level

    - A-G ~ base Gardevoir since Diantha was forced to mega-evolve to keep the battle in control.

    - Strong opponents (high tier 2/low tier 1 border) like Heidayu's Bisharp/Sawyer's Sceptile get OHKOd/absolutely destroyed by it

    - Fought a stronger, and much fresher Mega-Charizard X and fared just as well against it as an Elite four mega ace
  6. Xenon Blue

    Xenon Blue No Hard Feelings

    I guess we need to make a thread for official tier list now

    Probably around E4 level. I don't consider any of Ash's Pokemon to be at champion level, even though some of them can give the champion a good fight. It's hard to evaluate exactly how serious Diantha was against the frog, but she wasn't too serious IMO and would probably win out without too much trouble if she did go all-out.
  7. Ash-Pikachu

    Ash-Pikachu Well-Known Member

    Above Elite 4 Mega Ace given Ash-Greninja's (Water Veil) performances against Mega Charizard X who consistently performed around Elite 4 Mega Ace level.

    I agree that he's still below Mega Gardevoir, not because Mega Gardevoir intentionally restrained herself, but mostly because Diantha was unnerved by the situation which caused Mega Gardevoir's power to drop as a result.
  8. satopi

    satopi All hail Satomine Night!

    E4 non Ace lvl. It's strong but I don't think it's that strong or the illusion that it perceives itself. it'll get nerfed later on and I doubt it'll be able to defeat the Champions alone. It definitely can't top Pikachu.
  9. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    For the purpose of this poll, think of E4 Mega and Champion Ace as interchangeable (even if you believe they aren't).
  10. snorlax512

    snorlax512 Well-Known Member

    If she could win without much trouble it doesn't explain the need for mega-evolution. It also doesn't explain how Ash-Greninja fared around just as well as an E4 mega against a MCX who did not have his stamina drained by 10 opponents prior.
  11. Ash-Pikachu

    Ash-Pikachu Well-Known Member

    Then Champion Ace level then. :/
  12. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    Curious but between the 2 which lvl do you think is higher?
  13. Ash-Pikachu

    Ash-Pikachu Well-Known Member

    E4 Mega personally.
  14. Genaller

    Genaller PeaLyZard GreScepIn

    I actually do agree though I've since been convinced that the difference would be minor either way (they're both in the same tier). Think of Champion Ace lvl as a lower bound for A-G (ergo A-G ~ Champion Ace at a low Ball).
  15. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja XY(Z) is the best!!!

    I'd rather put Heidayu's Bisharp as Tier 1. What do you say? A Pokemon that easily overwhelmed 3 Pokemon in a 3 vs 1 battle is Tier 1 in my opinion.
  16. satopi

    satopi All hail Satomine Night!

    Alan's Bisharp can easily defeat that worthless piece of sharp metal.
  17. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja XY(Z) is the best!!!

    Alain's Bisharp is strong, but taking down 2 Pokemon one by one<<<overwhelming 3 Pokemon at once. Since, I would say Heidayu's Bisharp is stronger.
  18. Darthlord7

    Darthlord7 The Unbeatable Magician

    E4 non-Ace lvl.I don't consider any of Ash's pokemon being Champion Ace lvl .But he is still one of Ash's best pokemon he ever had.
  19. satopi

    satopi All hail Satomine Night!

    One Guillotine, that's all it takes. You're seriously underestimating Alan's Bisharp's worth based on a multiple battle rather than a 1 v 1.
  20. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja XY(Z) is the best!!!

    Well, but said Bisharp went down to a single Water Shuriken from base Greninja. I know you are a big Alain fan but please judge what I have said.

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