gym master47
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How strong is ash from every region he is in like for example Kalos ash e4 level?
ash in journeys: Am I joke to youKanto: mid gym leader level (most of his gym badges are pity one)
Johto: higher than gym leader (he beat all gym leaders and reach top 8 in johto league)
Hoenn/Battle frontier: Frontier brain or close to E4 (he beat BF and Brandon was pretty much E4 level but he didn't use Regirock)
Sinnoh: same as Battle frontier (he is slightly stronger than Battle frontier level or maybe reach E4 level)
Unova: higher than gym leader (reset Ash who probably as strong as Johto one with strongest team of Unova and Pikachu)
Kalos: Above E4 (easily stronger than any E4 we seen yet, he was so close in his battle against Alain who is much more powerful than any E4 so he should be champion level, he also give Champion Diantha run for her money)
Alola: champion (easily high champion tier trainer, he not only win the league but also beat Kukui who is considered a champion tier trainer, also beat Tapu Koko who was beyond champion opponent in both games and anime along with Guardian of Alola which is the most powerful z move in Alola)
i think Sinnoh is barely e4 also you forget journeys lolKanto: mid gym leader level (most of his gym badges are pity one)
Johto: higher than gym leader (he beat all gym leaders and reach top 8 in johto league)
Hoenn/Battle frontier: Frontier brain or close to E4 (he beat BF and Brandon was pretty much E4 level but he didn't use Regirock)
Sinnoh: same as Battle frontier (he is slightly stronger than Battle frontier level or maybe reach E4 level)
Unova: higher than gym leader (reset Ash who probably as strong as Johto one with strongest team of Unova and Pikachu)
Kalos: Above E4 (easily stronger than any E4 we seen yet, he was so close in his battle against Alain who is much more powerful than any E4 so he should be champion level, he also give Champion Diantha run for her money)
Alola: champion (easily high champion tier trainer, he not only win the league but also beat Kukui who is considered a champion tier trainer, also beat Tapu Koko who was beyond champion opponent in both games and anime along with Guardian of Alola which is the most powerful z move in Alola)
We don't know about whole team strength yet, Lucario and Sirfetch'd has won like only one battle, Gengar done really bad in last battle and I had mix feeling about Iris battle with Dragonite and Dracovish.ash in journeys: Am I joke to you
true but he does battle people I think e4 level since he beat irisWe don't know about whole team strength yet, Lucario and Sirfetch'd has won like only one battle, Gengar done really bad in last battle and I had mix feeling about Iris battle with Dragonite and Dracovish.
Ash's JN team is getting strong in such a little time that who know whole team is already champion level but we need to see that.
it depends on pokemonHow strong is ash from every region he is in like for example Kalos ash e4 level?
everyone forgetting journeys also Kanto is mid gym leader i thinkKanto : Low Leader
OI : High Leader
Johto : Mid Leader
Best Team Until OS : Mid BF
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Hoenn : High Leader
Kanto 2 : High BF - Low E4
Final Sinnoh team : High BF - Low E4
Best team until DP : High E4++
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Kalos : High E4
Best Team until XY : Champion
Alola : High E4+
Best Team until SM : Champion
i agree bw feels like a new trainer but he isn't he prob just take a month break and he was very very rusty i thinkI feel that he was barely above Kanto Gym Leader level in Kanto, although even that's hard to judge properly since a few of the Kanto Gym Leaders such as Natsume in particular simply gave him a Gym badge without fully showing the extent of their skills. BW remains the only saga where I felt that his skills slipped in contrast to earlier sagas, at least in the beginning. At the time he seemed to have fallen back to Gym Leader level, to me at least.
I feel that he was barely above Kanto Gym Leader level in Kanto, although even that's hard to judge properly since a few of the Kanto Gym Leaders such as Natsume in particular simply gave him a Gym badge without fully showing the extent of their skills. BW remains the only saga where I felt that his skills slipped in contrast to earlier sagas, at least in the beginning. At the time he seemed to have fallen back to Gym Leader level, to me at least.
If Ash was above a gym leader in Kanto, then Sawyer in XY should also be above any leader, so his Salamence should be as strong as Volkner Electivire or more, Noivern tied with Salamence, shouldn't Noivern be stronger than Torterra?As much as I like Onvern, I think that Dodaitose would win based on the fact that it had a good battle record before fully evolving, and it still managed to put up a decent fight against its later opponents [which included the strongest Gym Leader in Shinou and a member of the Four Heavenly Kings] even when it lost.
This is the most accurate one yet, kudosKanto: Mid gym leader level
Johto: Mid gym leader level
Hoenn: High gym leader level
Sinnoh: Low E4 level
Unova: Mid-High gym leader level
Kalos: Mid-High E4 level
Alola: Lower Champion level
Journeys: Mid E4 - Lower Champion level