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Hows everyone doing during Corona?

Chaos Emperor

No hope.....
It's not like they'll do shutdowns forever. No clue how it is in the US (I've heard it's getting worse there again). But until we have a vaccine or cure we'll have to do shutdowns, albeit preferably on a more local level than entire nations. Cause if we don't, with a virus like this, people WILL die by the millions. Several models predict that without any shutdowns about 60% of the population of the average country would get infected at a rapid rate and of that 60% around 1% would die, which are huge numbers all counted together.

The prime purpose of "flattening the curve" isn't actually to prevent new cases, it's to stretch it out over a longer period of time so your healthcare facilities remain sustainable. If you do nothing it'll last shorter, but it'll go down in the history books like the bubonic plague and spanish flu did.

You're right about the media. Media love sensation and from what I've seen in the US they're more into sensation than information (not gonna say it's not the case here but it seems a bit worse over there). If you're an average young person without and chronic illnesses, you won't die, though the symptoms are worse than the flu and fatigue, loss of smell and loss of taste can last for months.

Is this just a flu? Not at all, it's much worse. Is the media hyping this up to apocalyptic proportions? They sure are.

yeah cases are on the rise in America, but the death rate isn’t going up with it. It also doesn’t help that BLM protests are being allowed without any restrictions, while concerts and the like are on hold but that’s a whole other can of worms.

well we e apparently flattened the curve when medical nurses make cringe tiktok vids cause they have nothing to do when medical facilities are limited to dealing with COVID and nothing else. I think people now can make their own choices on what risk they’re willing to take given all we know about the disease now vs in March when shutdown began.

Yeah the media in the us are priming this as the worst disease in human history, having running totals of cases and deaths. I can’t speak for the rest of the world but when many news outlets elsewhere are govt run/funded, I can’t see them as being much better.

still none of this answers the question of why is this one illness considered so dangerous that we have to resort to all this when other similar diseases were allowed to just run their course even if they were more deadly or spread easier? This didn’t happen with h1n1, or sars (another strain of coronavirus), or West Nile virus, or any other illness that became a major news cycle? Why this one specifically?
 

Sakuyamon

Well-Known Member
Cases of the virus have been fluctuating here so it's hard to know what's going to happen in the future. I got fed up trying to keep track of things so I'm not paying as much attention as I did in April because at this stage thinking about more quarantines and isolation makes me sad and affects my mental health.
 

BulleDeChagrin

Lillie best girl
still none of this answers the question of why is this one illness considered so dangerous that we have to resort to all this when other similar diseases were allowed to just run their course even if they were more deadly or spread easier? This didn’t happen with h1n1, or sars (another strain of coronavirus), or West Nile virus, or any other illness that became a major news cycle? Why this one specifically?

The issue is not the death rate. Some other viruses or diseases are way worse, for sure. The issue is that the people who are hospitalized because of it, have to spend around 4 weeks in ICU, some with a ventilator. And there just aren't enough hospital beds to take care of that if the disease is allowed to spread without being slowed down. It will probably spread either way, lockdowns or not. But without a lockdown loads of people get it at once, like we saw in Italy and now in Florida for instance, and then hospitals who are at full capacity have to start choosing who they can treat and who they can't treat (and essentially let die, again like happened in Italy). And that's without considering people who for instance get in a car crash and need ICU care and can't get it because there just isn't any room.

So of course while we don't want people to die, that's not the main reason why we are cracking down on this disease so much harder than on others.
 

Chaos Emperor

No hope.....
Cases of the virus have been fluctuating here so it's hard to know what's going to happen in the future. I got fed up trying to keep track of things so I'm not paying as much attention as I did in April because at this stage thinking about more quarantines and isolation makes me sad and affects my mental health.

ya I know that feeling. I have anxiety and depression and both have gone way up since this started. I’d rather not read or hear about this either, but that’s not possible with those god forsaken ads everywhere(U know the ones I mean) , and now I’m convinced this shutdown will never end. They’ll just keep extending emergency orders in 30 days intervals and before u know it 40 years have passed; it’ll be 2060 and we’ll still be forced to wear masks and never have physical contact with anyone ever again. Some future that’ll be but hey at least we won’t have died form a disease with a 1% death rate that’s really only deadly if your old or have immunodifficieny problems.
 
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Ignition

We are so back Zygardebros
I graduated college on Friday and that gets a ton of stress off my back because doing assignments at home on an even stricter schedule was making this situation worse. Unfortunately the people in my town somehow believe wearing a mask to prevent them from getting sick/dying is a violation of their human rights so I doubt we'll bee seeing any changes soon
 

Kansas_Rocks!

Awesomeness Trainer
I was laid off in March and stuck in one of the worst states to be in during this pandemic. I'm moving back in with my parents soon. This whole situation isn't the greatest. At least I havent caught it yet, which is an achievement in Texas.
 

neophenx

Pokemon Strategist
I ended up losing my job right before the Covid-lockdown, and my unemployment benefits are basically dried up. I've been looking for a new job since, but due to physical health I'm a bit limited (trying to stick to office or remote work). Thanks to the stimulus stuff that they did, I have some savings to last me a bit longer until I get a new job, and in the meantime it's also given me time to focus on streaming.

PS: I'm in Florida. How I haven't caught it with a one-day case record of 15k is beyond me.
 
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Joycap

The Smogonites' personal George Orwell
I would have posted opinions in this thread earlier, but I'm in the middle of a video by Mr. Enter whose knocking down my points at Mach 5. Well worth a watch IMO.

 

TwilightBlade

Well-Known Member
One of my friends might have the virus because she's been sick for the past few days and is getting progressively more ill. She got tested a few days ago when she first started getting symptoms but she doesn't have the results back yet. I'm crossing my fingers that it's just a cold or the flu and not COVID.
 

Joycap

The Smogonites' personal George Orwell
One of my friends might have the virus because she's been sick for the past few days and is getting progressively more ill. She got tested a few days ago when she first started getting symptoms but she doesn't have the results back yet. I'm crossing my fingers that it's just a cold or the flu and not COVID.

Things you have to keep in mind:

- How old is she? If you look at COVID risk calculators such as https://www.covidodds.com/ you should know that under 45's have a good sub 1% chance of catching or even dying from the disease. Keeping in mind her diet and her immunal state prior to what she came down with should also give you a good idea of what she has, and the likelihood she has that kind of thing.

- What are they using to test her? And where is that kit from? I've heard many reports of faulty test kits (specifically from China) or equipment infected / already dinged as positive with COVID (or antibody tests that show up positive for SARS-CoV-2 even when they're antibodies for a random unrelated illness such as the common cold). I heard one exception from the Philippines, but given how buddy-buddy they are with China economically, that doesn't give me much hope.

Other than that, refer to the Mr Enter video I posted earlier. And as a result of that previous point, take all official figures with a titanic grain of salt.

- Face masks... hoo boy, I despise these things. Regardless, if she's having trouble breathing, make sure she doesn't touch one of these things with a 10 foot pole, otherwise her oxygen intake is going to tank. If she's in any 'fit state' to go out though, it might be worth considering as a means of protecting others from her. This is one of the many misconceptions of masks - they were never to protect you (someone healthy), they were to protect others from you (someone sick, in an area of the healthy). Consider also what type she's using, and whether or not it's reusable or disposable.




P.S: I'm well aware some will throw around the pejorative of 'conspiracy theorist' as I admit to dabbling in the politics of this affair. They are as enlightening as they are harrowing, and for anyone willing to dig deep, I recommend you come with.
 

Chaos Emperor

No hope.....
Things you have to keep in mind:

- How old is she? If you look at COVID risk calculators such as https://www.covidodds.com/ you should know that under 45's have a good sub 1% chance of catching or even dying from the disease. Keeping in mind her diet and her immunal state prior to what she came down with should also give you a good idea of what she has, and the likelihood she has that kind of thing.

- What are they using to test her? And where is that kit from? I've heard many reports of faulty test kits (specifically from China) or equipment infected / already dinged as positive with COVID (or antibody tests that show up positive for SARS-CoV-2 even when they're antibodies for a random unrelated illness such as the common cold). I heard one exception from the Philippines, but given how buddy-buddy they are with China economically, that doesn't give me much hope.

Other than that, refer to the Mr Enter video I posted earlier. And as a result of that previous point, take all official figures with a titanic grain of salt.

- Face masks... hoo boy, I despise these things. Regardless, if she's having trouble breathing, make sure she doesn't touch one of these things with a 10 foot pole, otherwise her oxygen intake is going to tank. If she's in any 'fit state' to go out though, it might be worth considering as a means of protecting others from her. This is one of the many misconceptions of masks - they were never to protect you (someone healthy), they were to protect others from you (someone sick, in an area of the healthy). Consider also what type she's using, and whether or not it's reusable or disposable.




P.S: I'm well aware some will throw around the pejorative of 'conspiracy theorist' as I admit to dabbling in the politics of this affair. They are as enlightening as they are harrowing, and for anyone willing to dig deep, I recommend you come with.

sadly despite the points made here, far too many have already bought into the hype around this and assume things like COVID equals death despite it being only deadly to old folks and immunocompromised people(Btw Im not hoping for anyone to get COVID but If someone u know does get it don’t assume they’re gonna die unless they meet one of the criteria I listed), and the idea of “if u just do as the govt says we can just put this behind us already” even though most people can’t just stay at home for 2 weeks and never go out for anything.

But even if people did do all this stuff there’ll just be another thing added to it to keep this going forever. From flatten the curve to til there’s a vaccine that may or may not ever happen, to til there’s a cure if a vaccine does happen, to then just shutdown forever even if a cure happens.
 

Joycap

The Smogonites' personal George Orwell
Alas, although I disagree with the conflation of 'cure' and vaccine, and I think that's the reason a lot of people are falling over each other. Ever wondered why Bill Gates is my most hated person atm (possibly period)?





That's just the start. I have countless articles stockpiled regarding his supposed eugenics project, and I recommend you do your own digging (pro tip: don't use Google to look this up, use DuckDuckGo). As I said, I consider myself adept in the politics of this 'crisis', so the backlogs of channels like Corbett and Dave Cullen (Computing Forever) are ones I can't recommend enough.

And before anyone asks, I set aside a disclaimer: I am not an anti-vaxxer, but I am in the same boat as a lot of the C. Right in that I believe in bodily sovereignty and individual choice. If a 'weakened virus' is all this is introducing, then you either enlighten me on why our personal best for a vaccine is 4 years (mumps), or you concede that other things could have worked in that time (
Hydroxychloroquine, Budesonide, Anti-malarials etc.) and that the lockdowns and economic shutdowns were a waste of our time.

Oh, and...
https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller Foundation.pdf


"China first to the scene"
"Top-down authoritarianism"

> Doc from 2010

Any of this sound familiar?
 

OshyHikari

c l a r i t y
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...ctions-imposed-death-toll-cases-rise/12515914

Victoria is soon enforcing Australia's toughest COVID restrictions to date, with residents of Melbourne effectively trapped within their own suburbs and not allowed out at night. My home state of New South Wales is also highly encouraging residents to wear masks while at supermarkets or on public transport, meaning I really need to practise wearing one.
 

Joycap

The Smogonites' personal George Orwell
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...ctions-imposed-death-toll-cases-rise/12515914

Victoria is soon enforcing Australia's toughest COVID restrictions to date, with residents of Melbourne effectively trapped within their own suburbs and not allowed out at night. My home state of New South Wales is also highly encouraging residents to wear masks while at supermarkets or on public transport, meaning I really need to practise wearing one.

Again, did you take those figures with a grain of salt? Or at face value? They could be trying to dupe you on a misdemeanour for all you know. Ever noticed how it's all the media focuses on? How it's "as if" we've cured everything else?

Oh and as outlined in the Mr Enter video posted earlier, curfews have a high risk of backfiring horribly, by forcing more people that either can't social distance or don't want to social distance out into shorter hours.

Refer to my other posts. The worst thing you can do is panic.
 

Chaos Emperor

No hope.....
Again, did you take those figures with a grain of salt? Or at face value? They could be trying to dupe you on a misdemeanour for all you know. Ever noticed how it's all the media focuses on? How it's "as if" we've cured everything else?

Oh and as outlined in the Mr Enter video posted earlier, curfews have a high risk of backfiring horribly, by forcing more people that either can't social distance or don't want to social distance out into shorter hours.

Refer to my other posts. The worst thing you can do is panic.

the media Focus comes down to one thing and one thing only; the US election in November; in any other year, with any other president, these shutdowns either would’ve never happened or been lifted everywhere by now. I know this isn’t really the thread for it but the pandemic has been politicized to the extreme and the media will do whatever it takes to drag this out with the intent of affecting the election however they can.

cerfews are just dumb in general. What about people who do night jobs? They can’t work now? I work night shift for a bank(which is essential for some reason despite no one having money right now), luckily I’ve never been stopped over anything, but the thought does linger in my mind occasionally when I go in to work.

So how do u recommend avoiding panic? Cause my anxiety and depression have gone way up since this started and I’d like to know how not to blow up on people.
 

Joycap

The Smogonites' personal George Orwell
the media Focus comes down to one thing and one thing only; the US election in November; in any other year, with any other president, these shutdowns either would’ve never happened or been lifted everywhere by now. I know this isn’t really the thread for it but the pandemic has been politicized to the extreme and the media will do whatever it takes to drag this out with the intent of affecting the election however they can.

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Say what you will about Alex Jones, I'm aware of the whole "gay frogs" meme that gives him funny looks, but he had Roger Stone on his show recently, and he had a lot to say. Here:


(ftr I don't think this account is one of his officials, he got purged from Silicon Valley a long time ago.)

Oh and Trump might be delaying said election because of all the insecurities/exploits with Mail-in voting (not like I don't understand). Sounds like a VERY difficult no-win for him though, simply because... well, does this mean that extending elections extends terms? What will this mean for future terms of future presidents? Will voting windows shift thusly?
 

Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!
Say what you will about Alex Jones, I'm aware of the whole "gay frogs" meme that gives him funny looks, but he had Roger Stone on his show recently, and he had a lot to say.
"Gay frogs" was not the only stupid and/or morally reprehensible thing Alex Jones has said.

Oh and Trump might be delaying said election because of all the insecurities/exploits with Mail-in voting (not like I don't understand). Sounds like a VERY difficult no-win for him though, simply because... well, does this mean that extending elections extends terms? What will this mean for future terms of future presidents? Will voting windows shift thusly?
Trump wants to quash mail-in voting because he wants to punish people who would like to keep themselves safe through the Covid crisis.
Since, on average, liberals are taking this more seriously than conservatives, we can see the real reason behind it all.
 

Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!
Oh, you mean the liberals that aren't questioning the official figures, knowing that there's conflation of antibody tests and other unrelated conditions? That fall in line with the MSM that has become fear porn? And you cannot seriously convince me that mail-in is air tight, knowing that butthurt hillary supporters wanted a recount (to say nothing of the amount of times you screamed 'RUSSIA', only for Muller to tell you to get stuffed)?

'keep safe' yeah sure, at the cost of the same economy that allowed the life expectancy of your relatives to exceed 70. Where were you for that? Or does the ""tolerant left"" give you genuflecting exemptions? Give me a break lol.

I have more I probably want to say, but again the Mr Enter video I posted earlier puts it in far better terms than I. I'll leave it at that, it's late on my end.
No need to lash out like that.

First off, I'm a strong believer in science. The amount of misinformation spread about the virus has been staggering.
We need to understand the risk associated with Covid-19 in both a virulent pathological sense and a population sense.

The reason Old Dump Rant doesn't want us to vote by mail is quite clearly that it undermines the democracy of being able to vote remotely.
If you want to prove that mail-in voting opens itself to fraud, you will have to give out actual evidence.
Meanwhile, we have people who are high risk that could benefit from being safe and being allow to participate.

Also, funny that you brought up people over 70, because they are one of the highest risk categories for this virus, yet whatever, economy.

Isn't Mr. Enter the same guy who gets rallied up by cartoon episodes?
 

OshyHikari

c l a r i t y
Again, did you take those figures with a grain of salt? Or at face value? They could be trying to dupe you on a misdemeanour for all you know. Ever noticed how it's all the media focuses on? How it's "as if" we've cured everything else?

Oh and as outlined in the Mr Enter video posted earlier, curfews have a high risk of backfiring horribly, by forcing more people that either can't social distance or don't want to social distance out into shorter hours.

Refer to my other posts. The worst thing you can do is panic.

I'm not from Melbourne, but I do live in the state just north of it. Also, how dare you attack me, as I do not post any fake news of any sort because I only read reliable national news sites. Melbourne is in a deadly second wave and you have no sympathy at all.
 
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