I am seriously getting fed up with the ridiculous bias against...

[Geodude]

...May's Squirtle. (Put it in the text instead of the topic so the spoiler wouldn't show up in searches.) I'm thinking of certain people when I say this, you know who you are.

Squirtle really isn't any more "powerful" or "00ber" than any of the other Pokemon in the group. Those that are biased against it have yet to give a good, solid, logical reason. So what if Ash also had one? He doesn't have easy access to it anymore, and nobody complained nearly this much when May got Bulbasaur. Squirtle is a popular Pokemon, so another one appeared in the main group. Logical, but BIG FREAKIN' DEAL. It started off as a crybaby, so what? It was YOUNG, it happens. But time has passed, it's seen things, discovered something it loves to do (perform), and it's gotten better. And oh yeah, a big beef around here with it is that it beat your precious Harley. Well lemme tell you something, a freakin' Wurmple could've beaten Harley with that pathetic excuse for a strategy he had. Get over yourselves, people.

Now, if anyone wants to make any intelligent counter-points, feel free. I don't often debate, but all this ludicrous complaining about Squirtle is getting extremely annoying. But if all you're gonna do is whine and complain and waste space, go do it elsewhere. Better yet, don't bother at all.

Quit singling it out, it's just another Pokemon.

 

[Almighty Zard]

not trying to be mean but if you are tring to condem yourself to the firing squad you have just suceeded. I don't like the bickering either, but it's never gonna drop...people just hate the thing for some reason or another....

 

[CyberCubed]

Nobody else post!

Yamato-San, the stage is yours.

 

[Lil Brother]

Can we compliment, Cyber?

Yay for this thread!

 

[Puffs]

Geodude's got a point. Does it really matter? Won't Sceptile make up for any mistakes the writers make?

...but seriously, they may be the same species, but they're two entirely different pokemon.

 

[ハルカ and ゴンベ]

All of what Geodude said is completly correct..The hatred twords Zenigame needs to end...>_>

 

[jolteonjak]

I love May's Squirtle...lemme just say that right now.

But, the only convincing reason I've read that people don't like it is because it mastered Ice Beam so quickly (as opposed to Snorunt). That and it also used a "knockback effect" to its advantage in the Saffron Contest.

Its like someone hating Pikachu because it used Thunder to wrap itself and Swellow in electricity to win against Tate and Liza.

 

[Magus]

Its like someone hating Pikachu because it used Thunder to wrap itself and Swellow in electricity to win against Tate and Liza.

Which was one of the most ridiculous moments ever in the anime.

 

[Jo-Jo]

I can see why people would be annoyed at Squirtle. But I am very sick of having to read a dozen identical rants about it in half the threads I visit. Change the record, people. Come on now, I know you can do it.

 

[Gravy]

I'm indifferent to Squirtle myself, but I can't honestly say anything its done thus far has been any good. The entire Ice Beam deal was incredibly cheap and anyone should be able to realise that whether they actually like the thing or not.
And it really doesn't have a personallity of its own, because most of its traits are mix and match versions of other pokémon. As a matter of fact, it doesn't seem to have one at all now the Bonsly has snagged its role of the gang's unlimited salt-water well.
And to top it all off, its one of the most boring pokémon they could have chosen. There is nothing original or creative about it at all, and its not even fun to watch.
For the record, I'd have complained about Bulbasaur had I been internet able once it was captured~

I can see why people would be annoyed at Squirtle. But I am very sick of having to read a dozen identical rants about it in half the threads I visit. Change the record, people. Come on now, I know you can do it.

I say its time to pick on Eevee. I mean, just look at it...always with that cute little smile slapped across it face. Having the nerve to hatch itself from a Zigzagoon egg. Constantly saying 'Eevee!'. It makes me sick...

 

[Jo-Jo]

I say its time to pick on Eevee. I mean, just look at it...always with that cute little smile slapped across it face. Having the nerve to hatch itself from a Zigzagoon egg. Constantly saying 'Eevee!'. It makes me sick...

I still can't believe anyone thought it'd be a Zigzagoon. That thing's the Hoenn equivalent of Rattata, fer crying out loud.

 

[Thriller]

I agree, the big problem people had with it was that they thought it WAS going to be Ash's Squirtle thanks to the Manga summeries of Mew & the Wave Guiding Hero Lucario.

Of course, it wasn't Ash's Squirtle and then the chaos started. I, for one, danced a jig when May got that Squirtle because I hated Ash's Squirtle so much and was glad it left with Jenny in that Johto episode. I just hope this Squirtle doesn't join both Bulbasaurs and Squirtle in Neverland because I will be further ticked.

On topic, I'm a little suprised that the same people who call Squirtle "Super Squirtle" and "Uber" are the same people who don't want it to evolve. Being that its Oh so strong it doesn't need to evolve just like the others.

Now the reason I will be further ticked if this thing doesn't evolve is the same reason I was ticked and Bulbasaurs stupid decision in "Bulbasaurs Mysteriosu Garden." Ever since Charizard came into the picture, I wanted at least one more starter to evolve and since Bulbasaur was out of that picture, I was hoping it be Squirtle.

During the time of the Orange Islands I didn't have The WB so I had no clue what'd be going on and was hoping the next time I watch the show, I'd see Ash with a Wartortle. Of course as time went by, the Squirtle didn't evolve and instead was sent back to the place where "children" belong, with their family.

When May's Bulbasaur came into the picture I was a little relieved that now theres a chance we'd see another evovled Kanto starter on the team. But my dreams were shattered the very next episode when Ash brought his Bulbasaur to meet May's. Now May's became friends with Ash's and now where we are in the show, May's is living with Ash's in both Neverland and Oaks Ranch (lol).

Now we have another chance to see an evolved Kanto starter on the team and I am proud of the progress this Squirtle has given, not just for it to gain experience to evolve, but to prove how powerful it really is.

That was one long post.

*Expects to be thrashed by the likes of Gaiash and other evolution haters*

 

[Ice Cold Glalie]

I say its time to pick on Eevee. I mean, just look at it...always with that cute little smile slapped across it face. Having the nerve to hatch itself from a Zigzagoon egg. Constantly saying 'Eevee!'. It makes me sick...

well said i'd prefer to see squirtle compared to eevee, i thought it should of been zigzagoon, squirtle's cute end of.


;362; ICG

 

[Thriller]

One more thing to add. I like Harley a lot but he deserved to lose those first three times, well I guess expect the first one. Rehashing strategy plans is not a good thing and thats exactly what caused him to lose during the GF and the Saffron conest. I don't, however, know how he acted in the latest contest as I don't bother not even looking at contest pictures anymore.

*Wears my "I hate Nurse Joy" shirt.*

 

[The Big Al]

Why The Big Al hates May's Squirtle.

1. It's May's and you how much I don't like her. I've stated my reason on that subject multiple times and will not repeat myself.
2. It rubbed on me the wrong way the episode it appeared. A midgit crybaby Squirtle that just randomly jmped in May's arms and suddenly is hers.
3. It pulled Ice Beam out of its butt. Then it had a flaw that quickly disappeared. This flies in the face of AG's trend to have Pokemon learn attacks through training or to hone attacks through training. Ice Beam just showed up out of nowhere and made Snorunt look like a retard in comparison.
4. Not only did it beat Ariados. (And the strategy was very good for a spider. Snag, immoblize, and then attack is the spiders' way.) It was cheap. Tha flaw that disappeared very quickly after this was turned into an advantage. Then the webs were completely frozen despite barely being hit. Then after Ariados was knocked out, that vile turtle got on top of it and flexed its muscles as if it was super man.
5. The little turtle then stole Corphish's episode and pulled Rapid Spin out of its rear. Though learning Rapid Spin so quickly is not as bad as Ice Beam. Still, it was Corphish's time to shine but instead Squirtle stole the spotlight after barely doing anything in the episode.

And this is why I hate Squirtle. If you think these aren't good reasons, then I can't help you understand.

 

[Komedic Konservationist]

I hate Squirlte because........

It's an annoying, unoriginal crybaby character.

It sudenly became 00ber-strong without any proper training, even though it's weak, young, and pathetic.

It put two of my favourite Pokemon EVER to shame. It shamed Snorunt by learning Ice Beam out of it's a-s-s when Snorunt took EPISODES to learn it, and it shamed Ariados by beating it even though it's a weak infant, and Ariados is a powerful, experienced fully-evolved monster tarantula.

It tries to be cute, and pretends to be cute, but it's not. It's BUTT-UGLY. And I hate how sickly sweet it acts, and is all weak and babyish, then suddenly BAM! It's a powerhouse for no reason.

It beat Ariados, and then rubbed salt into the wound with that disgusting, gloating victory muscle flex that humiliated Ariados and Harley infront of the audience.

Everyone in the show goes gah-gah other it, and it gets way to much attention.

I know this isn't really revelant, but I also dislike Squirtle because of it's truly HIDEOUS sprites in the current gen. Look >>>>>> http://www.psypokes.com/dex/picdex/rs/007.png
Ewww. Just ewwww.

 

[ghost master]

I think the main objection against Squirtle is that it was a starter Pokemon - in game terms, around level 5/6 - yet managed to learn Ice Beam with very little training (or already knew it from birth). It then went on to win the first contest it ever entered, against Harley, who is a fan favourite, taking down an evolved Pokemon to do so.

I can see justifications for a lot of these things. Ariados didn't give the impression of being physically strong and might well have been a recent capture, since Harley didn't have it in the Grand Festival. Squirtle did have some problems with Ice Beam initially, and it's not as if I want to watch it spend fifteen episodes perfecting the move after having already gone through the whole thing once already with Snorunt. And May's victory against Ariados was largely due to the fact that she used a
weakness of Squirtle's to her advantage.

So I guess Squirtle is annoying and a bit uber, but it's not quite as bad as people make out. And IMO it's far less irritating than its loudest detractors, who can't seem to go a single post without ranting about it, whether it's on-topic or not. Yeah, guys, we get it. No, we don't care.

I think Jo-jo's post on bmgf sums up everything I wanted to say. Especially the bolded part.

As a matter of fact, it doesn't seem to have one at all now the Bonsly has snagged its role of the gang's unlimited salt-water well.

It hasnt cried since it beat the saffron contest. So I think it grew up a bit after facing Drew and Harley.

I find Squirtle to be moderatly cute. I think its enjoyable but, I'm glad that they are starting to not focus so much on it as they did before. Although when you think about it Squirtle most likely will be gone by the end of this saga so I can understand the writers trying to show it off so that people wont complain about hardly seeing it.

 

[Nidorino99]

I respect all pokemon. If all these people have a problem with squirtle, tell me when may has it in the USA.

 

[The Benmeister]

There are too many arguments against May's Squirtle, but they sometimes make good points. I only hate how it made Snorunt look like an idiot. But saying you want to make turtle soup out of it is a bit harsh...

 

[Alfonso]

Lucky I saw this thread before I turn my comp off.

Geodude. Just because you're a Mod doesn't mean you can decide what we can and cannot like, and what we choose to mention we don't like. A lot of people like myself dislike Squirtle, and we're in our full right to be able to say that we dislike it. Just because a lot of people say they dislike it doesn't mean that those that provide decent reasons should stop. Quite often, people like Yamato-san provide intelligent reasons for his dislike, and so do other members. It's not like we're all going around saying OMFG SQUIRTLE SUCKS OMFG LOL, so stop generalizing that we're a bunch of idiotic morons do nothing but whine.

Of course, it's not okay for us to state our dislike for Squirtle, but it's okay for you to make rather snide comments about our 'precious Harley'? That's pretty rich in my opinion. A lot of people complaining about Squirtle aren;t have Harley fans, but are miffed at the fact that it learned Ice Beam out of nowhere with no training, and managed to beat an evolved Pokemon using a drawback which was nowhere to be seen not even an episode later.

And no. A Wurmple couldn't have beaten Harley with that supposed 'pathetic strategy' of his. That supposed 'pathetic strategy' was beating May, and would have beaten May if Squirtle hadn't of pulled Ice Beam out of it's a*s in the previous episode.