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i don't post teams on sppf that much anymore


because it has become this dark abyss of endless idiots posting standard teams, and my teams always get lost.


i like this team so i'll post it anyway.

competitor will come out before i get DP so yeah.


Aerodatyl @ Life Orb
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtK)
- Stone Edge / Rock Slide
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Pursuit

RS maybe for hax.


Salamence @ Leftovers
252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Atk
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Fang
- Roar / Protect
- Wish

better EVs please. needed wish and hera counter.


Starmie @ Leftovers
(Natural Cure)
108 HP / 216 Spd / 184 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Thunderbolt / Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

much needed spinning.


Steelix @ Leftovers
252 HP / 196 Def / 60 Atk
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

beat tar / weavile.


Cresselia @ Lefovers
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Moonlight
- Ice Beam
- Grass Rope / Psychic



Machamp@ Life Orb
252 HP / 56 Atk / 44 Def / 156 Sp Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Cross Chop
- Stone Edge
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

crediting ludi for set / evs.

short threat list:
Heracross: Salamence. not CB = :[
Garchomp: Cresselia, and lots of things with ice moves
Tyranitar: steelix and machamp and not really getting in.
Weavile: machamp, steelix
Azelf: cres kinda, and aero scaress it off.
Raikou: steelix, cress
Electivire: cress, steelix
Infernape: cress, starmie
Gyarados: starmie.
Manaphy: Should be banned.


LOL, Sup?
looks good.

i like your aero lead (clever)
also, your mence wisher is interesting/cool

looks a bit Hera weak ;\

EDIT - Sorry didn't see your threat list; ya the CB Hera could give you problems
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Neverchanging Avvie
Ludi did the math for the EVs.

Also, according to Somebody on another forum, (get it :)) Mence takes a min of 51% from Stone Edge (w/Intimidate). Also, it has been brought to my attention that Hera can switch in lots on this team.


Well-Known Member
I say thunderbolt (not ice beam) on starmie. You already have IB on cress and ice fang on aero, so it gives slightly better coverage.
I like Salamence as a Special Sweeper: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse / Hydro Pump / Flamethrower...

I don't like Rapid Spin so much since there will always be a time when you need Ice Beam but you don't have it. Seriously, keep Ice Beam. And Grass Knot would do well.


see thing is you don't want salamence losing 25% of its hp every time it switches in so getting rid of SR helps


Well-Known Member
Looks nice. Watch out for HP Ice Raikou, I don't know how Cress fares against it really, but I would think it has trouble breaking CMd Subs. I didn't make up ResTalk Machamp, and iirc I got the EVs of one of Mag's 3rd gen teams, but I am basically the only person to have used it on Wi-Fi.


< Guess who's back?
Nice team, not everyone here post standard teams though. I like Arial Ace on Aerodactyl for Stab + own at Hera+Breloom. Electivire Problem.


prophecy fulfilled
Ice Fang ohkos Breloom and Stone Edge will pretty much OHKO min hp/min def Heracross. AA isn't needed.

I'd go Charge Beam on Cresselia, just for sake of having a 100% reliable Gyara counter.

Starmie isn't great as it takes way too much damage from a DD'd Earthquake, or even a Life Orbed Earthquake to be a reliable counter.


< Guess who's back?
Ice Fang ohkos Breloom and Stone Edge will pretty much OHKO min hp/min def Heracross. AA isn't needed.
Okay but still I prefer it over Ice Fang as Stab Stone Edge hurts more than super effective Ice Fang anyway (and on Dragons it's 2x vs 4x which has the seem results). Only thing might be Cliscor but it can't really do anything against Aero himself.


prophecy fulfilled
Garchomp is the sole reason I would really use Ice Fang. Even though it will switch out, at least you know you will always be able to force it away or flat-out beat it.