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If Alain did fight another trainer in the tournament do you believe he would have won or gotten close to it?
- Thread starter Sham
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Pokegirl Fan~
Liko>>>>>Ash
I still think he would have lost either way
Sham
The Guardian of War
Lillie should have been number 6th sigh
SatoSereFan224888
Well-Known Member
I think it would have been Lance.
cricketlaxwolvesbandy
Summoning...
Iris, Lance, maybe Diantha
And…
Ash
Or Godcario sweeps
And…
Ash
Or Godcario sweeps
Sham
The Guardian of War
No Steven?
SoundVoltex
Well-Known Member
Gotten close to? Yes. Beaten... Probably not.
nuzamaki90
Well-Known Member
Everyone else is just way stronger than him. Even him beating Iris is a big reach after we saw what Haxorus is truly capable of.
Sham
The Guardian of War
I assume if they truly wanted to stretch a win it would be against Seven (due to history), no?
Considering Steven was seen to be way over his level and apparently he did “well” against him than this could a “changing of guard” type of thing
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nuzamaki90
Well-Known Member
Nah wouldn’t make much sense. Charizard X couldn’t do anything to Mega Metagross before even when using its strongest move. Steven would probably be even worse of an opponent than Leon.
cricketlaxwolvesbandy
Summoning...
I’ve heard this said by too many people at the Kalos League
Aleisterblack123
Well-Known Member
The only ones I can see him beating is Iris and Lance. Maybe even Steven because of their history.
GLTSRY
Sorry not sorry for my smugness
Let’s look at the facts: Alain pre his training arc was already around E4 level, Siebold was just a bad match up. He even held his own against Steven. After his training arc, he could defeat 9 MEs in a row and defeated Malva without taking a break and defeated perfect AG, who, in a weaker state, cornered Diantha’s Mega Guardevoir. Thus, Alain at the end of XYZ is far stronger than E4 members and closer to champions than to E4 members.
Against Leon, he had the misfortune of real world problems affecting his battles: It was clear that Leon will win, and due to having only half an episode instead of an entire episode they had to rush the battle. Even then, he was skilled enough to counter Leon’s G-Max on the spot with a normal team member, and using Malamar against Charizard seemed like a good idea, too. This smart battling style was already shown in XYZ, when he used Sandstream to conceal Pikachu’s movements or the Bisharp strategy.
There’s no reason to assume he’s weaker than any of the champions not named Leon, and even less reason to assume a champion without feats is stronger than him. So it probably depends on small margins when he is up against the 5 remaining champions.
Against Leon, he had the misfortune of real world problems affecting his battles: It was clear that Leon will win, and due to having only half an episode instead of an entire episode they had to rush the battle. Even then, he was skilled enough to counter Leon’s G-Max on the spot with a normal team member, and using Malamar against Charizard seemed like a good idea, too. This smart battling style was already shown in XYZ, when he used Sandstream to conceal Pikachu’s movements or the Bisharp strategy.
There’s no reason to assume he’s weaker than any of the champions not named Leon, and even less reason to assume a champion without feats is stronger than him. So it probably depends on small margins when he is up against the 5 remaining champions.
mysticalglacia
Alola Shill
Maybe against Lance. Maybe it’d be close against Iris but I still believe she’d win. I just cannot see a mere League winner winning against regional Champions, like no matter what people try to argue with powerscaling.
Eevee903
You are awesome!
I know.
Eevee903
You are awesome!
Maybe Ash vs Red....
GLTSRY
Sorry not sorry for my smugness
That’s not really a valid argument, as the different regions and their tournaments vary in strength. Ash used a much, much weaker team to become the first Alola champion than the teams he used in the Sinnoh or Kalos Leagues.