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Iris comeback speculation thread

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by Hanto, May 17, 2016.

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  1. Pteranodonte

    Pteranodonte Well-Known Member

    All the girls were just a waste of time and resources. They add nothing to the plot and their goals are boring.
  2. Navin

    Navin MALDREAD

    Iris should have been Ash's sarcastic 'pushes-buttons' rival, who appears frequently. Bianca should have been Ash's traveling companion, but who also collects badges.
  3. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

    I don't think the anime could have pulled off a companion who also did gym battles. That would have taken up too many episodes
  4. UltimateNinja

    UltimateNinja Cute Redditmon

    She is hated for reasons. Hate and love wouldn't exist without reasons and facts.

    To sum it up quick:

    - She was the second female lead with a second type master goal and that type of goal is flawed to be a goal in the active on-screen part of the series.
    - The goal went nowhere. There wasn't even any competition to prove her strength as potential dragon master like Whirl Cup was to Misty. Instead Clair and Drayden appeared. Two regular gym leaders Ash could defeat.
    - With that she was pretty much the girl with the least amount of focus on her goal. The three previous girls already were competent enough in battles, especially Misty. And since the focus is on Ash the whole time in terms of battles, she had no particular reason to be in the series except to play the obligatory female protagonist for the quotes.
    -Nostalgiafags defends Misty because of that simple reason: Nostalgia. Iris doesn't have that. Her gag was annoying to many people and she seems to can't take any critic to the same argument.

    I am not an Iris hater myself and no BW hater in generell, but I can understand the critic. She got development and there are many good and emotional scenes with her, but she had many flaws. She was one of the least popular even in Japan.
  5. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    It doesn't help that she isn't submissive to ash, and isn't "girly-girl" which japan especially seems to dislike. Basically she wasn't waifu material and had no fanservice stuff.
  6. Janovy

    Janovy Banned

    Well obviously you are not an Iris hater. An Iris hater would never dare acknowledge that Iris had good sides to her and that at least some aspect of her story was well-written.

    I respect people who are capable of looking at a character and saying 'this was good' and 'this was bad'. No character is perfect, but people sometimes act as if some characters are complete trash and without any redeeming traits whatsoever. It's very irritating.
  7. Everlasting

    Everlasting Everything stays.

    It pains me to say that unfortunately Iris was poorly written and her goal was overall not well executed. But to the point of not giving her a proper return like the previous female protagonists ? It's just adding salt to the injury to those who actually liked her. It's like they're trying to erase her instead of facing that they could've done so much better with her character and give her a last appearance to say they're sorry.

    I remember in Best Wishes how Dawn's return was something I was very much looking forward to. It was almost one of the main reasons why I kept watching the show: I wanted to see Ash interact with his previous female friend and see how she would interact with the newest characters. Her staying 9 episodes was just the cherry on top. Why can't Iris have that ?
  8. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    Because japan didn't like her and she wasn't a waifu character, so the writers won't bring her back so they can keep high ratings.
  9. Hauteclaire

    Hauteclaire Well-Known Member

    Would be amazing to see her Dragonite again. For me he was one of the best things in the whole BW series.
  10. Pokegirl Fan~

    Pokegirl Fan~ Dark Magician Girl

    Actually I believe Iris is fairly popular over there, but she most likely isn't the most popular female lead. Its mainly the western fanbase that hates her it seems, at least to me anyways.
  11. Disaster_Lord

    Disaster_Lord Sad Bayleef is Sad.

    She is popular in the wrong demographic, aka tanned Girls doujinshi enthusiasts...lets leave that there.

    But in the bigger side of the spectrum she isn't well received by the spending demographic given the bias towards dark skin chicks nor too much popular in the children demographic given that it criticized the MC.

    She has her niche but it's hardly profitable.
  12. Tsukuyomi56

    Tsukuyomi56 Gesshin Powered

    Aside from a brief cameo, it seems unlikely that Iris will return in a way that feels that she was not just "shoehorned" in. With the remaining episodes likely dedicated to the League, Team Flare and goodbyes/mention of Alola I don't think we have enough episodes for a PWT mini-arc in which Iris competes as the new Opelucid Gym Leader.
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2016
  13. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    What if she has an episode where she comes to kalos and then one where she battles drasna?
  14. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

    Okay but what episodes could you have that in? As Tsukuyomi stated any episodes that wont be used for the league or flare will likely focus on departure and Alola preparation
  15. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    I agree and it was mostly theoretical to how she could have come back since that would have made sense to happen before the league. Depends on how long and the league and TF arcs take though.
  16. phanpycross

    phanpycross God-king

    They are obviously gonna rush the league/TF finale to have time for Iris' comeback.
  17. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    That would be hilarious, I could imagine the reactions of people pissed to find out that is why the league and TF arcs are rushed.
  18. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "How did I know that would be your reaction?"

    And the main plot will be...

    Her baby Axew got lost.
  19. Soniman

    Soniman Break the Limit

    Better to lose Axew after the League then during it ://///
  20. Pokegirl Fan~

    Pokegirl Fan~ Dark Magician Girl

    I wonder if she'll call Ash a kid for losing in the finals after the league if he does lose
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