Is anyone else annoyed with the competitive pokemon metagame

[AsWeProceed]

I feel as if competitive battling isn't really fun anymore. I liked it when I first got into it because it was all pretty new to me but now I can't stand it. I haven't battled in a few weeks.

IMO its pretty ridiculous as to how limited your options are. Almost every successful team seems to have a common "core" or combination of 3 or so pokemon. You also need either a lead with a weather starting ability. If you don't use weather, your options are even more limited because you need to specifically prepare for weather,

And I also don't like how the good pokemon are very lame for the most part. Lots of favorites are in OU but there seems to be a divide between even within OU good OU pokemon and bad OU pokemon. Reading some threads on smogon it kind of hurts to see them trash Pokemon like Jolteon and Infernape.

 

[Zachmac]

I feel as if competitive battling isn't really fun anymore. I liked it when I first got into it because it was all pretty new to me but now I can't stand it. I haven't battled in a few weeks.

IMO its pretty ridiculous as to how limited your options are. Almost every successful team seems to have a common "core" or combination of 3 or so pokemon. You also need either a lead with a weather starting ability. If you don't use weather, your options are even more limited.

And I also don't like how the good pokemon are very lame for the most part. Lots of favorites are in OU but there seems to be a divide between even within OU good OU pokemon and bad OU pokemon. Reading some threads on smogon it kind of hurts to see them trash Pokemon like Jolteon and Infernape.

Thrash Jolteon and Infernape? You clearly aren't reading the post of very skilled players. Those guys are both OU for a reason. Jolteon is very fast, and doesn't even need a choice scarf to outrun certain boosted threats, and is a pain to put up with because of it's extremely fast Volt Switches. Infernape is a fire type that's neutral to stealth rock, and carries Overheat and Close Combat, which are very powerful offensive types in this metagame, and a fast 108 speed to take advantage of U-turn with.

Thanks to team viewer, no, you don't need a lead.

Options aren't that limited. Yes, it's easier to fit an OU pokemon in an OU team, but check this out: http://www.smogon.com/bw/metagames/ou

That's about how limited your options are in OU, but it's possible to use even more. Yes, even Charizard can work. It's difficult, but it can if you're skilled enough. And lack of weather doesn't hinder your options. It's very difficult to use Life Orb Infernape in a rain or sandstorm team, you know, but it can work without either. Besides guys that are completely dependent on weather, like Venusaur and Stoutland, just about anything worth using on a weather team can be used on a clear skies team.

And nothing is stopping you from making a fresh, brand new core. Just because it's suggested by Smogon doesn't mean you have to use it.

It's fine if you don't like it, but I think that's competitive pokemon in general, not just the metagame.

 

[LizardonX]

I just want drizzle and cholorophyll to go. If that happens thr metagame would be fine.

 

[randomspot555]

I feel as if competitive battling isn't really fun anymore. I liked it when I first got into it because it was all pretty new to me but now I can't stand it. I haven't battled in a few weeks.

Then take a break from battling. It is pretty easy to get burned out on since simulators let you play dozens of matches very quickly.

There is no lack of diversity in OU. You're just sick of it. Go do something else for a while. It is okay, and Pokemon battling will still be around when you start getting that itch to compete again.

 

[Dragalge]

I feel as if competitive battling isn't really fun anymore. I liked it when I first got into it because it was all pretty new to me but now I can't stand it. I haven't battled in a few weeks.

IMO its pretty ridiculous as to how limited your options are. Almost every successful team seems to have a common "core" or combination of 3 or so pokemon. You also need either a lead with a weather starting ability. If you don't use weather, your options are even more limited.

And I also don't like how the good pokemon are very lame for the most part. Lots of favorites are in OU but there seems to be a divide between even within OU good OU pokemon and bad OU pokemon. Reading some threads on smogon it kind of hurts to see them trash Pokemon like Jolteon and Infernape.

You do know that you don't have to use "common cores" all the time and instead use what you want to use right?

 

[AsWeProceed]

You do know that you don't have to use "common cores" all the time and instead use what you want to use right?

No one is forcing me, but if I use a team with Infernape, Jolteon, Alakazam and Gengar all on it, even with a good lead like Deoxys-D I'll lose because they don't seem to be as effective as the other OU pokemon, which people like to spam.

 

[Excitable Boy]

then

make a different team

that works

that's kind of the challenge

 

[EonDragonFTW]

The rmt thread could help you out.

 

[Zenotwapal]

No one is forcing me, but if I use a team with Infernape, Jolteon, Alakazam and Gengar all on it, even with a good lead like Deoxys-D I'll lose because they don't seem to be as effective as the other OU pokemon, which people like to spam.

It's probably because you aren't that good of a player to begin with
Or just keep trying teams

 

[AsWeProceed]

It's probably because you aren't that good of a player to begin with
Or just keep trying teams

I made a rain team and got much higher than usual on the ladder just to see where I could go

My teams usually get to maybe 1200 on smogon's smulator. Rain got me up to 1600. Teams make a huge difference.

 

[zozo]

No, I'm not particularly annoyed with it. I find that people spamming the same core all the time makes it a little easier to pull off wins, to be honest. It makes predicting much easier, so that my teams are able to pull off their own strategies. Besides that, it just seems fun to me to try out different things that no one is using, more so than trying to find that "ultimate team". I just want to train up a bunch of different Pokemon and have fun with them, so I don't really care about what the metagame is doing. In fact, the more it stays the same, the better it is for me. It means that I only have to consider a few standard things when I formulate a team.

Of course, I usually play VGCs rather than singles-style, so I'm used to a rather different metagame. There's still weather galore, but I think it's easier to deal with in doubles. I think...

If you are really annoyed, have you considered switching things up a bit? Maybe try doing different tiers just for the heck of it? Little Cup, for instance. From what I've seen it looks like you really have to think differently to do well in LC than in OU, so that might be a good change of pace for awhile. Or try NU for a bit if you're sick of seeing the same 6 Pokemon over and over again but want to use evolved Pokemon, just until you find that you really want to go back to wherever it is you're most comfortable.

 

[LizardonX]

I was pretty sucessful with a non weather team of

Special defensive Jirachi
CB scizor
CB Landorus/ SD Garchomp
CM Keldeo
Choice Scarf RotomW
Specs Latios.

 

[White_Roar~]

I feel as if competitive battling isn't really fun anymore. I liked it when I first got into it because it was all pretty new to me but now I can't stand it. I haven't battled in a few weeks.

IMO its pretty ridiculous as to how limited your options are. Almost every successful team seems to have a common "core" or combination of 3 or so pokemon. You also need either a lead with a weather starting ability. If you don't use weather, your options are even more limited.

And I also don't like how the good pokemon are very lame for the most part. Lots of favorites are in OU but there seems to be a divide between even within OU good OU pokemon and bad OU pokemon. Reading some threads on smogon it kind of hurts to see them trash Pokemon like Jolteon and Infernape.

Well...

I'm not annoyed with it because in Competitive Pokemon you can use any Pokemon you want, any way you want, on any team you want, no one is stopping you from using what Pokemon you like or what movesets you like. Almost every successful team does not have a common "core" or combination of 3 or so Pokemon because there are hundreds of varieties of teams that you can make. You are free to use what you think is right in Competitive Pokemon. If you're really annoyed, try switching things up, like try a specific tiers, multi-tier teams, etc.

Plus, with people "spamming the core" makes predicting easier XDD You'll basically have an idea of what Pokemon and moves to use when fighting metagame-centered teams.

 

[AsWeProceed]

I was pretty sucessful with a non weather team of

Special defensive Jirachi
CB scizor
CB Landorus/ SD Garchomp
CM Keldeo
Choice Scarf RotomW
Specs Latios.

That's actually an extremely typical non weather team. I never said non weather couldn't be typical. In fact, one could argue that a successful team that doesn't use weather is even more typical

It's shame really. To survive in this metagame non weather teams have to look very similar to that.

 

[Dragalge]

That's actually an extremely typical non weather team. I never said non weather couldn't be typical. In fact, one could argue that a successful team that doesn't use weather is even more typical

It's shame really. To survive in this metagame non weather teams have to look very similar to that.

This is probably from your experience. I see many teams look different from my battles.

 

[Suhnerd]

It's true. The meta game is full of people who use the "threats."
They want to win, not to have fun with their favorite Pokemon.
It puts a disadvantage on the people who want the opposite and hence why this post was created.
But
There are ways to make things work. With enough prediction, anything is possible.
It's just that you have to be REALLY good to pull it off.

 

[AsWeProceed]

It's true. The meta game is full of people who use the "threats."
They want to win, not to have fun with their favorite Pokemon.
It puts a disadvantage on the people who want the opposite and hence why this post was created.
But
There are ways to make things work. With enough prediction, anything is possible.
It's just that you have to be REALLY good to pull it off.

I appreciate your understanding of this thread

 

[Dragalge]

I don't use my favorites cuz personally it can get stale quickly so I try out different Pokemon and see what I can learn from it.

 

[Akwakwak]

I feel as if competitive battling isn't really fun anymore. I liked it when I first got into it because it was all pretty new to me but now I can't stand it. I haven't battled in a few weeks.

IMO its pretty ridiculous as to how limited your options are. Almost every successful team seems to have a common "core" or combination of 3 or so pokemon. You also need either a lead with a weather starting ability. If you don't use weather, your options are even more limited because you need to specifically prepare for weather,

And I also don't like how the good pokemon are very lame for the most part. Lots of favorites are in OU but there seems to be a divide between even within OU good OU pokemon and bad OU pokemon. Reading some threads on smogon it kind of hurts to see them trash Pokemon like Jolteon and Infernape.

You might just need a break as some people have stated, I actually felt the same way. I took a break and when I did get back into it, I actually started up again in the lower tiers. Battling in the lower tiers was really fun for me since I got to use some of my favorites. But that's just me, I'm more of a "casual" competitive battler.

 

[White_Roar~]

I don't use my favorites cuz personally it can get stale quickly so I try out different Pokemon and see what I can learn from it.

I agree with this sort of, I use every single Pokemon to see what I can do with them no matter what tier they're in.