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Is exploiting glitches cheating?

WaterTypeStarter

Well-Known Member
Like using the Missingno glitch to get infinite TMs of strong moves like Earthquake and Blizzard or even good items like Rare Candies or Master Balls. Or to catch some rare Pokemon early on, like getting a Lapras or Scyther before Misty, using an extension of the Mew glitch. Or even exploiting things in battle like Hyper Beam not recharging if your opponent is defeated. It's not like it is one sided. For instance, Focus Energy lowers your critical hit instead of increasing it. And a glitch causes moves other than Swift (and in the Japanese versions Swift is not immune) to potentially miss. If the game is unfair with its own rules, is it not fine to exploit for your benefit, given it is not like you are using any external devices? And many young kids might not have realized the developers did not intend these to happen and just used them on discovery.
 
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BCVM22

Well-Known Member
It's absolutely cheating. You're using glitches to do something the developers didn't intend. Only question is who/what if anything is being harmed and how much it bothers you.
 

pacman000

On a quest to be the best...
Well I memorized the Missingno trick by reading a cheat code site...

Never heard of that hyperbeam trick; if I were playing the games I’d assume the move recharged whlie my opponent was selecting their next Pokemon. I don’t doubt that it’s a glitch, but without looking at the source code or a design document, there’s nothing obviously wrong.

If we’re talking about competitive play, stick within whatever rules the competition’s organizers have set up. On your own time have fun with the games, even if it means trying out bugs.
 
I personally think that depends.

More generally glitches are considered cheating because that isn't what the creators intended and thus might ruin the experience they were going for. Not only that, but not everyone can cause these things to happen, especially in a competitive scene where it's meant to be a test of skill and not using easy/cheap means to get there.

However, as pointed out by @Gamzee Makara that isn't really the case in speedrunning and the FGC, or at least with Smash Bros. Melee anyway, the only one I know for sure where they are technically using glitches in competitive play. And as I'm discussing this, I think part of the reason it's more accepted, in this case I mean more for the speedrunning community, since the majority of the games are being played in a way that isn't intended, with sequence breaking, overpowered items, physics failing and more being used...if they're allowed. Because iirc there are some speedruns that try to do it without 'em.

Tl;dr generally yes it's cheating unless it's allowed in the rules of something and it might ruin a playthrough unless you don't care about that.
 

Mewtwo's Amber

Don't cry Mewtwo
I believe all content the game provides is legit since glitches are unintentional errors in the data, therefore, can't be held against the players.

The application is where a fine line is drawn.

The word 'Cheating' can be best applied here as an intransitive verb and as such has two possible definitions:
1. to practice fraud or trickery
2. to violate rules dishonestly

In a multi-player situation, if an item and/or Pokemon obtained via exploiting a glitch is accessible to all participants and used with mutual foreknowledge and acceptance it is neither of the above and is fair therefore does not constitute cheating.

Nor does it when used in a single-player capacity in which case no one else is affected apart from the exploiter.

As there is no profit to be gained or lost on either end it also does not fall under that definition of 'cheating'.

There is a gray area as well.

For example, let's say that someone uses a Mew obtained from the Mew glitch in a link battle against someone who was not aware of this glitch nor told beforehand of the intention.
This is unfair and asinine but can it be defined as cheating?
Personally, I believe not because the Mew was provided by the game even if it was not meant to be.
 
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Leonhart

Imagineer
I don't consider it to be cheating, although I've rarely taken advantage of glitches to begin with. I remember using the Mew glitch a couple of times in R/B, and the cloning glitch in Crystal and Emerald, but I tended to avoid glitches in general since I was always afraid that exploiting them would ruin my save file, which did actually happen once.
 

jaden767

Amphetamine
Depends on how you look at it. Those glitches are basically accidents that players aren't supposed to know about but since they're still part of the game I don't feel bad about using them to my benefit.

The only glitches that I don't use are ones that are known to crash your game.
 

Venomshock

Well-Known Member
In a manner of saying but since most glitches happen when you're playing the games by yourself I feel that exploiting them doesn't affect other players so it's not the worst thing in the world.
 

Captain Jigglypuff

Leader of Jigglypuff Army
I only use the Missingno item cloning glitch to get multiple Nuggets and certain TMs. I’ll also do the Cinnabar wild Pokémon glitch for Safari Zone exclusive Pokemon due to how frustrating some are to catch inside the Park.
 
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