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Is it possible to get another Dex Holder meeting?

Discussion in 'Pokémon Manga Discussion' started by Blue Saturday, Jan 28, 2013.

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  1. Blue Saturday

    Blue Saturday too fly

    Regarding the Dex Holder's aging, is it even possible for them to meet again? For some reason I think Kusaka might be against having adults, early twenty adults, meet. I always thought they would focus more on the younger ones.
     
  2. Macromind101

    Macromind101 Well-Known Member

    Well there wasn't one recently so maybe. Though I don't think it's gonna be a big huddle to stop the menace at the time like before. I think the PWT will be displayed at the end of the chapter and we'll see cameos of Red and Blue participating in the champions category while the other Dexholders sit together in the crowd, if we get any sort of reunion at all which is definitely not guaranteed.
     
  3. Platinum fan.

    Platinum fan. Enlightenment

    The only way I see one right now is at the BW2 World Tournament, and even that is 50/50. I want to see the adult versions of the Dexholders. The Kanto and Johto ones will really be adults by then, maybe they'll have kids. The Hoenn ones will be in the middle while the Sinnoh trio will still be kinda young when compared to them, they'll be like what 17 or 18 at the time. If we ever do get another remake of Kanto it will be interesting to see if they had Red and friends continue or simply pull a Digimon ending, and have them be married and produce kids that look nearly exactly like them and name them after the remake names. The possibilities. Also I want to see old woman Sird. She'll be a evil old woman like Agatha with cane and generically say "I'll get you, meddlesome Dexholders!" And she'll shake her cane in anger. A guy can dream or make lame fanfics XD
     
  4. Greatemboar

    Greatemboar The White Warrior

    Well if it is the case and the Kanto dex holders (doubt the Jhoto dex holders will have kids) then I hope Red and Green (Blue in the Japanese versions) are together I support Luckyshipping.
     
  5. Kaiserin

    Kaiserin please wake up...

    It's disturbing to me that it seems to bear reminding, but I wouldn't hold my breath about canon ships or kids for any of the previous dex holders. It'd be silly at best.
     
  6. e9310103838

    e9310103838 Well-Known Member

    Why people think Sird will become a old woman like Agatha?

    I think she just the age of Jupiter in DP in the future. :537:
     
  7. Flintoff Cypress

    Flintoff Cypress Premium Ice Cream

    This. In my opinion, Kusaka's shipping of Ruby and Sapphire was pushing the limit for the amount of "romance" that belongs in this type of manga. With Generation V, I could probably tolerate Black and White shipping because that's normal behavior for teenagers. Overall, I wish that it would all be kept to a minimum and let the audience decide for themselves what happens.

    As for having kids: oh hell no. It's perfectly normal for people to wait until their mid-to-late twenties (or even their thirties) before having kids. It's a bit disheartening to find out that the characters that had hopes and dreams got immediately married and started procreating like bunnies as soon as they hit the big 1-8. I'd rather Kusaka not go there for the same reason as the shipping, but if he did I would rather see it in some sort of distant future with the youngest Dexholder parent being no younger than 24-25.

    As for the dexholder reunion idea: I feel that the only real opportunity would be the PWT in B2W2. The only reasoning being that the PWT is THE major convergence of all five generations. It's still going to be a bit of a challenge to work all of the Dexholders into the story (especially with the Plasma stuff), but it was still a challenge to get them all to fit in with the Battle Frontier in Emerald. If Kusaka wants to have them back, this would be the time to do it.

    With that said, do I think that because it's possible that it's a good idea? Absolutely not. Emerald worked because there were only ten Dexholders and only when combined with FRLG does it make a complete arc where none of the characters are shafted. We're up to fifteen as of BW (sixteen if you count Cheren's Dex), and B2W2 is going to add more from there. With XY right around the corner and the lengths of Pt and HGSS, I would be surprised to see B2W2 being as long as Emerald. Trying to cram that many characters into the story (on top of Colress and Plasma) would be a freaking trainwreck.

    While I wish that there could have been SOME closure, I think it's time that Kusaka closed the door on the Gen I-IV Dexholders and let a new saga begin with Gen V and leaving into Gen VI. Obviously, I'm not saying to make a clean break in continuity (still reference the older Dexholders and MAYBE, TASTEFULLY cameo one or two as an adult), but just let the general story be done for those first four generations.
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2013
  8. Evilchibi_pichu

    Evilchibi_pichu Entertain me minions

    No. The #1 reason is that Game Freak is just like Disney. They can and will reopen the vault and remake their stuff up to the current technology. Eventually Kantou, Johto, and Hoenn are going to get remakes (again in the first two cases) to be workable with the future Nintendo portables and Pokemon games like what happened with FRLG/HGSS. If Kusaka closes the door on Gen I-IV, he's going to be in trouble later. It's best if he starts thinking about the aging factor, the plot with Saque, and everything he wants to do with all that and start making future plans so their story can continue when need be. Then we can possibly get a sense of closure while keeping it open-ended for the future.

    Having tasteful cameos is a good idea, but with the aging problem it'll probably be better to actually separate Gen I-V and VI and on. It doesn't have to be in the future either. It can be an alternative universe or happening at the same time Gen I-V are or something else. That way we get the cameos, but not have the aging problem (yet). Not to mention, we can cure having the crowding of sooo many Dexholders too.

    As for a reunion, I think there could always be a PWT later just not in BW2. I mean, what's stopping him for doing so other than them being adults which can also easily be solved? I say having a reunion is more fitted for a remake arc instead of an arc that introduces new characters and villains. Like Flintoff Cypress said it'll be too much of a trainwreck otherwise since BW2 will probably be rushed (or be volume-only) to start X/Y asap.
     
  9. Flintoff Cypress

    Flintoff Cypress Premium Ice Cream

    Sadly, that's a good point. Kusaka would be in quite some trouble if he completely cut off the earlier generations. As stated, an open ending would be the graceful way out. However, I just don't see remakes as being a possibility unless the system is completely gutted in Gen VI to prevent transfers from Gen V. FRLG and HGSS were just there to compensate for the lack of any connectivity between Gen I/II and III+. As long as there's a link, there's absolutely no reason to revisit Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Sinnoh/Unova.

    ...That could work. A rip in time and space could force Gen I Red/Blue/Green/Yellow to team up with the protagonists of Gen VI+. Sort of like how Sonic Generations worked.

    Thinking about this... the PWT, outside of the whole part in the story, is an "extra" battle area not unlike the Battle Frontiers of Gen III and IV. If the Battle Frontiers can carry over from one generation to the next, why not the PWT? Something to think about for the Z version (or X2Y2). That could only work if there wasn't a story bolted onto the concept, however, as Kusaka would have to either shoehorn the Dexholders in or discard the existing plot.
     
  10. Platinum fan.

    Platinum fan. Enlightenment

    If they do appear at the PWT, and that's if we even get a PWT, it might be their last physical appearance. I think from now on Kusaka may do what he did with HGSS, have them cameo in flashbacks. Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow either appeared in a flashback or were mentioned, none of them actually showed up and I think this is how it's going to be for now on unless we get remakes. I can see Hoenn and Kanto getting remakes since they aren't playable on 3DS. It might be years till we get Sinnoh and Unova remake. They are still playable.
     
  11. Weedy Spyze

    Weedy Spyze Well-Known Member

    To be honest, I've never really been big on seeing a big Pokedex holder "meeting." It's a cute idea in theory, but I really dislike a lot of the older characters (Blue, Yellow, Silver, Crystal, Emerald) and I would be totally okay with never having to see most of them again. Plus, most of their storylines have been finished and I wouldn't really like to just see them thrown in solely for the sake of fanservice. I'd like it to be relevant to the plot somehow, this is an action manga after all.

    That being said, it would be nice to see a familiar face or two every now and then (Red's always welcome for appearances in my book), but just because one or two show up it doesn't mean everyone has to. The kids are their own people, I'd like to think that they would socialize somewhat with people outside of their Pokedex clique.
     
  12. Ecrilthir

    Ecrilthir Pokemon Trainer

    I would really look forward to another Meeting with Dexleader Red, though he hasn't appeared in the Manga properly since the Emerald Arc, nor has Yellow.... Maybe its another hint.

    But I hardly doubt that Red and Blue/Green (Female) Will ever be in a romatic relationship as:

    It has been Annonced that Red and Yellow have been in a Lovers Relationship since 2005..... Read it on Bulbapedia (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shipping:SpecialShipping)
    ;025; + ;025; :)
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2013
  13. Flintoff Cypress

    Flintoff Cypress Premium Ice Cream

    I didn't see that in the article. Maybe because it's not true and it has already been blammed in the latest revision. People adding stuff to wikis without proper citations to back it up are why we can't have nice things.
     
  14. Evilchibi_pichu

    Evilchibi_pichu Entertain me minions

    Isn't remakes based on backwards compatibility? That's what I thought it was. Basically that when a system gets upgraded but can't support the previous 2 systems then a remake is needed to have transfers. (3DS can't support transfers from Hoenn/Kantou as it's on the GBA.) But, I guess it's possible they'll be having all of the pokemon in one gen every time that happens, so they won't have remake the games. And the older games can be available on the VC. That's what X/Y seems to be doing.

    If that's the case, once it's proven there will be no more remakes, Kusaka can then end Gen I-V anyway he likes. He can finally end Saque without having a certain way to stick to which would be nice.


    That's a good idea. There could also be background cameos in Gen VI+'s timeline of the protags from Gen I-V that way we get a little something every now and then.

    True. I was thinking all along the lines that if there is ever a sister game again rather than sequels or for any remakes of Kantou/Johto where the story has already been done, he could use PWT instead of rehashing any stories. That way, the Dexholders can have their own story without worrying about the existing plot and Kusaka can have some fun with the freedom.

    That's what I'm thinking as well unless he plans on connecting Gen VI to the previous gens. At the most, we'll probably see Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Black, and/or White coming back to be involved in the action since they're still young and fresh. The last 5 are more likely due to the years before any possible remakes and how new they still are.
     
  15. e9310103838

    e9310103838 Well-Known Member

    It is not incorrect, but it is not correct either.

    At least in the opinion of some people, it's still controversial due official filling (?) make it ambiguous. ;216;
     
  16. Flintoff Cypress

    Flintoff Cypress Premium Ice Cream

    Isn't that what I said? There's two reasons going around on why Gen II couldn't transfer to Gen III. The first, hardware compatability between a GBC and a GBA game, isn't exactly an issue in this case as the 3DS can provide a way to transfer from Gen V (or even IV) due to the DS/3DS communicating via a standardized protocol (WiFi). The second reason, that they (supposedly) changed so much of the inner mechanics between the Gen II and III, is the one we have to worry about again. They could do it again for Gen VI, but I can't see that happening.

    As far as Nintendo/Game Freak is concerned, as long as they keep Gen V to VI compatibility, you have a way to get your Hoenn fix. Even if you have to transfer between four games to get it. Maybe Virtual Console on the 3DS will provide some form of compatibility and completely eliminate the need for remakes in the future.

    And that brings us to another problem: ambiguity. Kusaka loves to do this ****, and it causes people to get the wrong idea. Does somebody have a link to where he supposedly said this?
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2013
  17. Dreamingflower

    Dreamingflower Trying out new games

    I don't think that comparability is the only reason for remakes. I remember I read somewhere that there's a change RS remakes will be made if the fans want it. So they could still make remakes for the fans to re experience an old region with the mechanics and graphics that didn't existed at the time when the original game was released yet. I'd love to go through the Hoen region in 3D style and read a RS remake arc. I can see the funniest dexowners again.

    I did read something on the main site at Yellow's profile. Just check under character overview. But well most shipping related thing in wiki is total crap. Some people love to write lies on these sites about their OTP. I don't see any point in doing it, since is won't change the manga and some people will view them as immature. I stick to what I know from reading PokeSP.
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2013
  18. Flintoff Cypress

    Flintoff Cypress Premium Ice Cream

    Now, while a remake would be impractical, a sequel would be appropriate. It would be a way to revisit Hoenn (and the creatures of Gen III) and add more to the story. It would be neat to see how Hoenn has changed over the course of ten or so years.

    I went to Yellow's profile at Netkun and gave it a quick whirl through Google Translate. My results are inconclusive, but the Bio does mention Red (probably how she was first seen in the RGB chapter). Maybe someone with some Japanese knowledge could give their insights on this?

    (I think talking about shipping is getting dangerously close to fanon when done on Wikis. Bulbapedia keeps this tasteful by being strictly informative and luckily the editors strictly enforce this rule. There's other wikis (not Pokemon related) that are almost 100% unreliable due to fanon seeping.)
     
  19. e9310103838

    e9310103838 Well-Known Member

    This is an old page I do not know whether there are reservations, but it did once exist.

    Like Crys's mom had appeared in the description of characters in the old official website.

    Old fans should have seen this page. ;245;
     
  20. ray243

    ray243 Well-Known Member

    I'm ok with another Dex holder meeting as long as the plot is able to further develop the personality of the characters. Kusaka is already playing catch up with BW2, not to mention Pokemon X and Y. I wonder if he would even have enough time to produce new stories at the pace of nintendo.
     
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