Is the effort put into each pokemon episode getting less?

[Shiny Rokon]

Do you think as each pokemon episode goes by japan or america or both are putting less creativity or effort into them, and do you think america is dubbing the episodes more accurately now?

I watch some japanese episodes and they always seem to pull me in more, maybe because the voice actors have much more emotion and the american voice actors tend to sound repetative.
Another thing, particularly noticable in english is when they make mistakes on what element is good against what and say things like "electric attack" instead of "thunderbolt". But even in japan they allow electric attacks to work on ground types with excuses like it was at a close range etc. If that was the case, the new games should allow all attacks to effect pokemon when environment or circumstances change etc like the anime. Anyway, what do u all think?

 

[Heracross]

It just depends, really. We were in a low spot in Japan in terms of creativity, but it appears to be slowly getting better. As for the dub, I noticed it was going downhill several years ago. I haven't watched it in about six months, so I wouldn't know if it's been any better recently.

 

[CyberCubed]

Ugh, not another topic like this.

AG has been just as good as it ever was. It may hit a slump every so often, but then the writers quickly get back on track and give us lots of excellent episodes afterward.

As for the dub, I'd say it's gotten better. All the Trainer Choices have been correct in the Advanced Battle season, and the voice acting for most of the main characters is still good. The only complaint is the music, in which 4kids should keep more of the Japanese tracks.

 

[Jigsaw]

You expect an american dubbed anime to keep japanese music?

 

[CyberCubed]

You expect an american dubbed anime to keep japanese music?

4kids did during the first season.

And other companies like Viz and FUNimation are keeping the Japanese soundtracks for certain shows.

 

[Jigsaw]

Touche.

But things change. I don't mind the music.

 

[CyberCubed]

I don't mind it either, I like a lot of 4kids music. But there's no reason why they can't keep more of the Japanese tunes either. Some of the battle themes are replaced with dull music in the dub, for some odd reason.

 

[Yamato-san]

You expect an american dubbed anime to keep japanese music?

4kids is one of the only dubbers out there anymore that doesn't retain the original soundtrack to its shows. Almost everyone else dubs rather faithfully.

 

[Heracross]

You expect an american dubbed anime to keep japanese music?

Yes.

Changing the music ruins the whole feel of the episodes and they just replace it with horrible crap that doesn't fit and has no rhyme or reason. A stoned chimpanzee beating a keyboard with a golf club could do a better job.

 

[Gravy]

A stoned chimpanzee beating a keyboard with a golf club could do a better job.

And a wonderfully hillarious mental image it is too.

I used to enjoy the voice acting and additional dub music a lot more in the early days. To be fair, a lot of the scores made by 4Kids back in the day weren't actually half bad and I feel that on occassion it really did fit in snuggly between the original stuff. And after rewatching a few Kanto episodes, I have to say that the voice acting was much better back then.
Now though, I barely find either aspect tolerable. When Grovyle sounds like a reject from the muppets, you know somethings amiss.

The Japanese version has its bad patches though. I remember a lot of the god-awful plinky-plonky crap they were using in many episodes shortly after Snorunt was captured, which would've been more at home in a pre-school show. The writing is pretty much the same as its always been, rising to new heights before dropping like a rock glued to an anvil, before hitting the ground and then picking itself up after emerging from the crater. Its the same thing with the animation too, actually.

 

[Heracross]

When Grovyle sounds like a reject from the muppets, you know somethings amiss.

XD!

The Japanese version has its bad patches though. I remember a lot of the god-awful plinky-plonky crap they were using in many episodes shortly after Snorunt was captured, which would've been more at home in a pre-school show.

Gotta agree with you there. I was seriously afraid that the original producers had been watching the dub too much and decided to make their music suck too, but fortunately that phase has passed.

 

[The Big Al]

Maybe the Japanese audiance didn't like it.

 

[intergalactic platypus]

i think less thought is put into the fillers and filler characters, but the shows doing well so who cares

 

[Yamato-san]

i think less thought is put into the fillers and filler characters, but the shows doing well so who cares

That's just it, though.... the writers shouldn't be so cocky when it comes to the quality of the show just because it's riding entirely on an ultra-popular game franchise. By your logic, these people are capable of reducing the show to another 12 Oz. Mouse, and they wouldn't give it a second thought because they know it's doing well just for being Pokemon.

Yes.

Changing the music ruins the whole feel of the episodes and they just replace it with horrible crap that doesn't fit and has no rhyme or reason. A stoned chimpanzee beating a keyboard with a golf club could do a better job.

XD I would pay to see some fan make a movie where a recording of such a thing is playing over a dub scene. I can picture it now....

[Ash is battling against Team Rocket, and in the background, the sounds of banging and a chimp shrieking and a couple synthesizer keys being played here or there can be heard.]

 

[Mizu Kasumi]

Not really... It's probably because we're growing out of it. We change too.

 

[GonbeTR]

I think it's not. However I think that people who write in this site have more expectations in these days. When I read pokemon episodes forum, people always critisize new episodes. I love too Indigo league episodes and I prefer them to Hoenn and especially to Johto. Even though I think Kanto Battle Frontier saga could be way better with flash backs to Indigo League episodes and apparances of old characters and pokemons (we have already charixard and snorlax but it's not necessary).
I want to give some examples:
In Bonsly episode why noone mention Koga and Iya. The girl's clothes and hair is same wth Iya but she is not her nor Jasmie. I think even if Koga doesn't appear Iya should be there and she should say:" My brother is in E4". And flasfhbacks would illustrate the episode. They messed it up.

In Saffron contest episode, Sabrina could be a coordinator or a viewer. And eventualy flashbacks. If she were a coordinator she would use Alakazam, Gengar (evolutions of Kadabra vs haunter episode with flashbacks) and Gardevoir. But they didn'T.

So, if we expect more things , we appreciate less.

 

[Crystal Clair]

I think yes
I just saw an episode "Once in a Mawhile" and the ideas are okayyyy but Team Rocket and Brock's bevahior are getting a little repetitive, I even skip over Meowth's fantasies now that I either download then from the net or digital record them.
I swear, even Johto was better than Kanto! I dont remember nearly as many TR Sakaki fantasies and we had the Lugia saga, the Lake of Rage and the Delibird episode to give more deph to TR and even a new group like the PMC and a new concept with Team Rocket having to pay dues every month or so. That's why I call Johto the "Neo-Original" series because it's close to the original seasons yet with a newness that made it so special.
Some people may disagree with me and say that Johto had too many pointless fillers but at least they stuck to my memory. And it had nothing to do with May "replacing" Misty. I just think Houen was kind of like poison to Pokemon. May's contest being a small antidote... or more like a cup of orange juice to a ship full of scurvy.
Things will improve in Pokemon as time comes (animation is an exception) but I'm still awaiting the comeback of Neo-Original Pokemon.
I just feel bad for poor May, having to deal with TR every single day.

 

[intergalactic platypus]

That's just it, though.... the writers shouldn't be so cocky when it comes to the quality of the show just because it's riding entirely on an ultra-popular game franchise. By your logic, these people are capable of reducing the show to another 12 Oz. Mouse, and they wouldn't give it a second thought because they know it's doing well just for being Pokemon.

i didnt mean financially, i meant quality wise. AGs been pretty good

 

[Magus]

All the Trainer Choices have been correct in the Advanced Battle season

It seems that you spoke too soon. The latest Trainer's Choice claims that Teddiursa (Normal type) stands up better to a Psychic attack than Misdreavus (Ghost, resistant to Psychic) and Poochyena (Dark, immune to Psychic).

 

[Alfonso]

It seems that you spoke too soon. The latest Trainer's Choice claims that Teddiursa (Normal type) stands up better to a Psychic attack than Misdreavus (Ghost, resistant to Psychic) and Poochyena (Dark, immune to Psychic).

...

Ghost types aren't resistant to Psychic type attacks.