Islamophobia and McCarthyism

[Silver Soul]

Yet he is also implying that the Bush Administration created 9/11 and were Nazis. There are plenty of times when fears over a terrifying event have been used for elections. And yet he decided on one created by the Nazis.

He's not really implying that because he said Bin Laden is responsible for 9/11. He's pointing out that the opportunity in exploiting fears for the agenda of certain people have been done already.

Who says I am afraid? I worry about certain elected people with radical ties no matter what their faith is, nothing more.

Of course. That's why people shouldn't be calling a fellow citizen a terrorist because of their faith. Never judge a book by its cover.

 

[BigLutz]

He's not really implying that because he said Bin Laden is responsible for 9/11. He's pointing out that the opportunity in exploiting fears for the agenda of certain people have been done already.

He said this: "It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it and it put the leader of that country Hitler in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted. The fact is that I'm not saying September 11 was a U.S. plan, or anything like that because, you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box — dismiss you.

He did not say the stuff about Bin Laden until he was called out on his radicalism.

Of course. That's why people shouldn't be calling a fellow citizen a terrorist because of their faith. Never judge a book by its cover.

And that is a strawman argument as I am not doing that, nor has anyone else in this thread, or any of the people mentioned so far.

 

[Silver Soul]

He said this: "It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it and it put the leader of that country Hitler in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted. The fact is that I'm not saying September 11 was a U.S. plan, or anything like that because, you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box — dismiss you.

He did not say the stuff about Bin Laden until he was called out on his radicalism.

You took the quote out of context because he is trying to make an analogy. So basically, you did call him a radical Muslim by accentuating a negative.

And that is a strawman argument as I am not doing that, nor has anyone else in this thread, or any of the people mentioned so far.

Yeah. We shouldn't create strawman arguments such as how all terrorists are Muslims, Liberals hate America, Obama is an Un-American Muslim Socialist, etc. I mean, that would be just silly.

 

[BigLutz]

You took the quote out of context because he is trying to make an analogy. So basically, you did call him a radical Muslim by accentuating a negative.

He is comparing 9/11 to a event orchestrated by the Nazis so they could seize power and blame the communist. There is nothing to take out of context on that.

Yeah. We shouldn't create strawman arguments such as how all terrorists are Muslims, Liberals hate America, Obama is an Un-American Muslim Socialist, etc. I mean, that would be just silly.

As long as you realize your mistake.

 

[Silver Soul]

He is comparing 9/11 to a event orchestrated by the Nazis so they could seize power and blame the communist. There is nothing to take out of context on that.

And you are calling him a radical because of that? I hear worse. Should we call Sen. Jim DeMint a radical for comparing Obama to Hitler?

As long as you realize your mistake.

Of course.

 

[BigLutz]

And you are calling him a radical because of that? I hear worse. Should we call Sen. Jim DeMint a radical for comparing Obama to Hitler

Yes I would call him a radical for that, I do not believe a person who believes that 9/11 was a inside job is considered a normal Muslim. Do you?

 

[Silver Soul]

Yes I would call him a radical for that, I do not believe a person who believes that 9/11 was a inside job is considered a normal Muslim. Do you?

As much as I don't believe those who believes that Obama is a secret Muslim planning to destroy America as we know it is really a American.

 

[BigLutz]

As much as I don't believe those who believes that Obama is a secret Muslim planning to destroy America as we know it is really a American.

Actually I would be just as willing to label some one as a Radical American or a Radical Conservative for trying to suggest such a thing, as it clearly is radically outside of the norm.

 

[Silver Soul]

Actually I would be just as willing to label some one as a Radical American or a Radical Conservative for trying to suggest such a thing, as it clearly is radically outside of the norm.

Ah yeah. But however it brings big questions, what is Real America to the people? What does America really stand for?

 

[BigLutz]

Ah yeah. But however it brings big questions, what is Real America to the people? What does America really stand for?

I would say America is likely moderate, they do not see Obama as Hitler, just as they did not agree when the radical left said Bush was Hitler. The same could be said for the Muslim's in the U.S. that they do not believe that Bush secretly planned 9/11 ( When it comes to Muslim's in the Middle East, I cannot make the same statement ).

 

[Silver Soul]

I would say America is likely moderate, they do not see Obama as Hitler, just as they did not agree when the radical left said Bush was Hitler. The same could be said for the Muslim's in the U.S. that they do not believe that Bush secretly planned 9/11 ( When it comes to Muslim's in the Middle East, I cannot make the same statement ).

Well, here's the thing... All we are doing is letting the people feed the illusion that America is more unsafe from terrorism than since 9/11. I mean, there has been more prejudice towards Sikhs, Muslims, and any other brown-skinned citizens since the aftermath. Then, there's our President. He has been called a secret Muslim despite being Christian just because his father practiced Islam and that his middle name is Hussein. I mean, they say it as if it was a bad thing when it isn't. There was concern with JFK being Catholic when he was running for President. Then following that, there's shots by conservative media such as Fox News at our President about using the space program to reach out to the Muslim world. That was the year 2010 when there was the Ground Zero mosque controversy. The irony about that the protests against mosques in American cities is that it is discriminating against the religion which goes against the freedom of religion.

 

[Sadib]

Yes I would call him a radical for that, I do not believe a person who believes that 9/11 was a inside job is considered a normal Muslim. Do you?

How does believing that 9/11 was an inside job have anything to do with being Muslim?

 

[Raymond - king of ducks]

He has been called a secret Muslim despite being Christian just because his father practiced Islam and that his middle name is Hussein.

Actually, school documents from Obama's childhood have him listed as a muslim. He also celebrates islamic holidays. Obama being a muslim is entirely possible, especially since islam allows it's followers to lie about their religion in order to further islam's agenda. Another thing; Obama really, really likes islam. According to him it's a wonderful, peaceful and beautiful religion that deserves unconditional respect. He's also supported extreme groups like the muslim brotherhood. But wait- there is more. What about the time he bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia? Or the time he said jihad was a good thing?

Even if he is not, in fact, an islamist he's in the same boat as them as far as I'm concerned.

 

[BigLutz]

Well, here's the thing... All we are doing is letting the people feed the illusion that America is more unsafe from terrorism than since 9/11.

Last time I checked we kind of are, that is the problem with having a war with Radical Muslims, they tend to want to kill you.

I mean, there has been more prejudice towards Sikhs, Muslims, and any other brown-skinned citizens since the aftermath.

And? There was prejudice against Japanese in World War 2, against Russians during the Cold War, the list goes on and on, when you are at war with a group that looks different, or has a different name than what is normal in the culture around you, you are targeted.

Then following that, there's shots by conservative media such as Fox News at our President about using the space program to reach out to the Muslim world.

I believe our idiotic President opened himself up to those shots.

That was the year 2010 when there was the Ground Zero mosque controversy. The irony about that the protests against mosques in American cities is that it is discriminating against the religion which goes against the freedom of religion.

Except people were not against having any mosque there, just at the spot of the greatest terrorist attack by Muslims in our history.

How does believing that 9/11 was an inside job have anything to do with being Muslim?

Because honestly a massive amount of people in that part of the world refuse to acknowledge that it was their people that made it happen, instead thinking it was a inside job, or was the evil JOOOOOOOWWWWSSSSS.

 

[Sadib]

Actually, school documents from Obama's childhood have him listed as a muslim. He also celebrates islamic holidays. Obama being a muslim is entirely possible, especially since islam allows it's followers to lie about their religion in order to further islam's agenda. Another thing; Obama really, really likes islam. According to him it's a wonderful, peaceful and beautiful religion that deserves unconditional respect. He's also supported extreme groups like the muslim brotherhood. But wait- there is more. What about the time he bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia? Or the time he said jihad was a good thing?

Even if he is not, in fact, an islamist he's in the same boat as them as far as I'm concerned.

So you're one of those people aren't you? Thinking that Obama is Muslim is no better than thinking that 9/11 was an inside job. If Obama was Muslim, why would he eat pork and drink beer?

 

[BigLutz]

So you're one of those people aren't you? Thinking that Obama is Muslim is no better than thinking that 9/11 was an inside job. If Obama was Muslim, why would he eat pork and drink beer?

Er I don't think those are comparable, one is a personal religious choice, the other is a accusation of mass murder.

 

[Sadib]

Er I don't think those are comparable, one is a personal religious choice, the other is a accusation of mass murder.

How is thinking that Obama is a Muslim a personal religious choice? That and thinking 9/11 was an inside job are both conspiracy theories.

 

[Raymond - king of ducks]

So you're one of those people aren't you? Thinking that Obama is Muslim is no better than thinking that 9/11 was an inside job. If Obama was Muslim, why would he eat pork and drink beer?

Read my post properly. I never said Obama was, for a fact, a muslim. I said, him being a muslim was a possibility. As to why he might eat pork and drink beer, if he was a muslim, I can think of two reasons: First, he's moderate enough to disregard the rules on haraam substances. Second, some islamists consider it acceptable to do things which are normally forbidden if it serves the greater calling of jihad, e.g, masking the fact that one is muslim, by doing things muslims supposedly don't do. Like consuming alcohol and throwing wild parties.

Many islamists today believe that any sin they commit in an effort to further the jihad will be forgiven automatically by allah. This is because jihad is the primary directive for all true islamists, and is more important that anything else in the whole world.

 

[Sadib]

I said, him being a muslim was a possibility. As to why he might eat pork and drink beer, if he was a muslim, I can think of two reasons

I also have an explanation why drinks pork and eats beer. Maybe, just maybe, he isn't Muslim at all.

 

[Raymond - king of ducks]

Yes, maybe he isn't.

But given what Obama has said, and done, and written, can you really blame people for suspecting him of being a muslim?

On the subject of claiming people are muslims, did you know that many muslims believe religious figures like Noah, Abraham, and even Jesus Christ himself were muslims, even without and evidence to suggest this? Never mind the fact that it is impossible for people to be part of a religion that didn't exist during their time.