Islamophobia and McCarthyism

[Silver Soul]

Not to mention, as I said above, thousands upon thousands of Muslims celebrated and gave gifts to one another when the WTC fell. There is footage of this. That right there should say something. And this is not an isolated case. They do this almost every time someone is killed in the name of their god. For a supposed religion of peace, it sure tends to be violent. Again, this is not Islamophobia. I'm simply making an observation based on historical facts.

Thousands of Muslims celebrated the attacks? Really? I like your proof on that.

 

[BigLutz]

Thousands of Muslims celebrated the attacks? Really? I like your proof on that.

Thousands in the Middle East ( Especially in Palestine ) did, not in the U.S or in Canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU

 

[BurningWhiteKyurem]

Honestly you can find verses in the Quran that justify those killings, the suicide attacks, etc etc, just as you can find verses that justify peace. Things like:

"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

"I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."

Honestly, the thing about the Koran is that it is honestly bipolar, you can find justification for nearly anything in there and mainly that can be attributed to Mohammad's journey who started off as a man of peace, and ended up a warlord.

Well that kind of explains it...looked up a Qur'an website and the confusion begins with this simple phrase

"Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not."

Contradictions everywhere. Just because you're killing for something's sake, doesn't mean that the act of killing itself is justified.

Funny thing is, a Muslim can walk down the streets of Israel and survive, can't say the same for a Jew walking down the streets of Palestine.

Israel is backed up by USA and their resources. Palestine is not.

Otherwise explain the lopsided civilian kills during the Gaza War by the Israeli Force.

Not to mention, as I said above, thousands upon thousands of Muslims celebrated and gave gifts to one another when the WTC fell. There is footage of this. That right there should say something. And this is not an isolated case. They do this almost every time someone is killed in the name of their god. For a supposed religion of peace, it sure tends to be violent. Again, this is not Islamophobia. I'm simply making an observation based on historical facts.

uh-huh, where's the tape first and foremost?

Secondly, so you think just because they did it that it reflects on ALL Muslims?

 

[BurningWhiteKyurem]

Thousands in the Middle East ( Especially in Palestine ) did, not in the U.S or in Canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU

https://p.twimg.com/AlxEB6JCIAArqpN.jpg:large

Israelis celebrating Palestine Children getting killed.

Does that mean ALL Israeli/Jewish people reflect this attitude? No.

 

[Silver Soul]

Thousands in the Middle East ( Especially in Palestine ) did, not in the U.S or in Canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU

And they represent the vast majority of Muslims? You are looking at only one side of the story instead of looking at the other. That's like saying that the majority of white Americans celebrated the MLK Jr.'s assassination. There are actually Palestinians that condemned the attacks you know.

 

[BigLutz]

Well that kind of explains it...looked up a Qur'an website and the confusion begins with this simple phrase

"Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not."

Contradictions everywhere. Just because you're killing for something's sake, doesn't mean that the act of killing itself is justified.

Of course, you need to be killing for a greater good, for God or some religious reason, which is why so many suicide bombers look to religion for justification.

Israel is backed up by USA and their resources. Palestine is not.

Which does not explain why one side is more hostile than the other.

Otherwise explain the lopsided civilian kills during the Gaza War by the Israeli Force.

Because the Palestinian forces are cowards, there is no other way to say it, they are pathetic cowards. They hide in civilians, using hospitals and schools as shields in hopes that when Israel attacks that the world will act like idiots and express outrage. In reality the world needs to stand up and tell the Palestinians to stop hiding behind civilians.

And they represent the vast majority of Muslims? You are looking at only one side of the story instead of looking at the other. That's like saying that the majority of white Americans celebrated the MLK Jr.'s assassination. There are actually Palestinians that condemned the attacks you know.

https://p.twimg.com/AlxEB6JCIAArqpN.jpg:large

Israelis celebrating Palestine Children getting killed.

Does that mean ALL Israeli/Jewish people reflect this attitude? No.

I want both of you to find me the post where I said that video reflected ALL the people? Or even the Vast Majority of Muslims. I am waiting.

 

[SBaby]

And they represent the vast majority of Muslims? You are looking at only one side of the story instead of looking at the other. That's like saying that the majority of white Americans celebrated the MLK Jr.'s assassination. There are actually Palestinians that condemned the attacks you know.

Show me where I said it was all Muslims. I'll take you seriously again when you're able to do this.

 

[Silver Soul]

Show me where I said it was all Muslims. I'll take you seriously again when you're able to do this.

You were saying that thousands of Palestinians celebrated the 9/11 attacks as if it was a fact and saying it represents the majority of Muslims, without looking at the entire story when it's actually a half truth.

Also, it's not like there is history in Christianity involving wars and such.

 

[BigLutz]

You were saying that thousands of Palestinians celebrated the 9/11 attacks as if it was a fact

He said Islamists and then Muslims, I was the one that pointed it out that it was Palestinians, but yes it is a fact there was large celebrations in the Middle East.

and saying it represents the majority of Muslims, without looking at the entire story when it's actually a half truth.

I hate to defend him here but he never even said it was a majority from the two posts I am looking at on the previous page, he said thousands and thousands.

Also, it's not like there is history in Christianity involving wars and such

And your point is....?






And mind you this wasn't just Palestine, there are accounts from Pakistan all the way to Britain of celebrations going on that day.

"Finsbury Park mosque. Pro-terror demonstrations, graffiti and anti-white posters. at Abu Hamsa’s terror camp

Forest Gate, East London. Local residents sickened by sounds of cheering and celebrations coming from Romford Road mosque on the evening of the slaughter. Muslims leaving the mosque drove off hooting their horns, shouting and waving.

Slough. Letter in Daily Telegraph to express disgust at having witnessed a class of 15-year-old British-born Pakistanis cheering, punching the air and mocking the tearful singing of the American national anthem.

Solihull, Land Rover Plant. Three workers suspended after mocking the three minute silence. Security staff had to escort them from the building to prevent them from being attacked.

Harrow. Fireworks let off during the three minutes silence on Friday.

Cardiff. Young Muslims celebrate in city centre with flags on the evening of the attack.

Birmingham, Small Heath. Celebrations inside and outside local mosque.

Birmingham, Aston. Serious tension in main Royal Mail sorting office after Muslim workers applaud the attacks.

Derby. Local residents disgusted as celebrations in a mosque spill out onto the street with flag waving and chants of triumph.

Oldham. Cheering inside and outside mosques. White workers in Littlewoods Call Centre appalled when Muslim co-workers respond to news of the attack by “jumping up and down with joy.” Schoolchildren celebrate at Grange School with further celebrations along Waterloo Street. Park Cake Bakery. 4 Muslims sacked after cheering during 3 minute silence. Waterloo Street. “Cheering and dancing in the street” after news of the attack broke.

Burnley. A would-be customer in a major shop in the town centre couldn’t find any staff to serve him on the afternoon of the attack. Walking through the shop he found the eight shop assistants - all of them obviously Muslims - crowded around a TV set at the back of the shop, laughing and shaking hands as they watched the footage of the mayhem. Fireworks let off on the evening of the attack in Stoneyholme."

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/8153_9-11_Celebrations_in_Britain

 

[CSolarstorm]

You were saying that thousands of Palestinians celebrated the 9/11 attacks as if it was a fact and saying it represents the majority of Muslims, without looking at the entire story when it's actually a half truth.

Also, it's not like there is history in Christianity involving wars and such.

That's not even logical in the least. You're defensive over what you thought was implied, so you drew up a false equivancy by saying 'so what if there were Muslims celebrating, Christians went to war in the past'. Are you saying that it's okay for Muslim extremists to celebrate 9/11 because it's justified by Christians going to war centuries ago? Would you have defended the crusaders in that time? In both instances, both parties did something wrong, and it's absurd to say 'it's okay for x to do this, because y did it before'. If it's wrong, it's wrong.

 

[Celestial Moth]

Also, it's not like there is history in Christianity involving wars and such.

Are you joking.. Almost every war has been influenced by christians in a negative way because they wont stop until their way is the only way because they insist on making people believe what they believe, just like most extremist do from every religion,mainly because they refuse to try and understand all possible information and knowledge.
Though do you not know history because when i last remembered it was the Christians that slaughtered millions of innocent people because they couldn't understand the knowledge some were creating and re-remembering, i refer to the witch-hunts, the massacres in south America when the Spanish invaded, when they killed native Americans and when they invaded and killed native Australians!

Not to mention the when many forms of arcane knowledge and gnosis were stomped into the deserts of time and crumbled under away through the first crusade.
IN which the knights were simply trying to defend their knowledge though the Church simply slaughtered them all!

 

[Silver Soul]

Are you joking.. Almost every war has been influenced by christians in a negative way because they wont stop until their way is the only way because they insist on making people believe what they believe, just like most extremist do from every religion,mainly because they refuse to try and understand all possible information and knowledge.
Though do you not know history because when i last remembered it was the Christians that slaughtered millions of innocent people because they couldn't understand the knowledge some were creating and re-remembering, i refer to the witch-hunts, the massacres in south America when the Spanish invaded, when they killed native Americans and when they invaded and killed native Australians!

Of course. The point I'm trying to make is that there is a double standard in America when it comes to religion. While there are those that are not okay with Muslims imposing their values, they have no problem imposing their Christian values. Just so you know, I'm Catholic.

 

[Celestial Moth]

Of course. The point I'm trying to make is that there is a double standard in America when it comes to religion. While there are those that are not okay with Muslims imposing their values, they have no problem imposing their Christian values. Just so you know, I'm Catholic.

Fair enuf bro and i sense your remorse within your words, but when it comes to comparing one way of life to another simply trying to get moral leverage? No one can do that simply because they compare and have negative intentions while doing so.
I understand that in some cases people just want to share and help others understand through multiple means though obviously their is a right way and a wrong way of doing that, and blowing up some buildings is defiantly the wrong way.
Though most Muslims dont deserve this type of disrespect because Islamaphobia is a very ridicules attempt to legalize religious discrimination..

 

[Silver Soul]

Fair enuf bro and i sense your remorse within your words, but when it comes to comparing one way of life to another simply trying to get moral leverage? No one can do that simply because they compare and have negative intentions while doing so.
I understand that in some cases people just want to share and help others understand through multiple means though obviously their is a right way and a wrong way of doing that, and blowing up some buildings is defiantly the wrong way.
Though most Muslims dont deserve this type of disrespect because Islamaphobia is a very ridicules attempt so legalize religious discrimination..

Yeah. Radicalism happens with any other religion. A recent example of Christian terrorism was what happened in Norway last year.

 

[CSolarstorm]

Of course. The point I'm trying to make is that there is a double standard in America when it comes to religion. While there are those that are not okay with Muslims imposing their values, they have no problem imposing their Christian values. Just so you know, I'm Catholic.

That's definately true, but somewhat off the subject.

It's kind of frustrating, because nobody here was doing that, but it's as if people were combing what they said in an effort to see if they even implied it, because they were too nervous that speaking bluntly was being prejudiced. A number of people here just want to point out that Muslim extremists are a valid threat regardless of the fact that not all terrorists are Muslim extremists. (And by extension, Bachmann echoes a fear that people genuinely have, even if she did so in a sloppy and politically suspect way.) At some point policing people's sentiments to make sure they aren't McCarthy-esque gets ridiculous. Do we have to list all the religions that were involved in wars every time we mention Muslim extremism?

 

[Silver Soul]

That's definately true, but somewhat off the subject.

It's kind of frustrating, because nobody here was doing that, but it's as if people were combing what they said in an effort to see if they even implied it, because they were too nervous that speaking bluntly was being prejudiced. A number of people here just want to point out that Muslim extremists are a valid threat regardless of the fact that not all terrorists are Muslim extremists. (And by extension, Bachmann echoes a fear that people genuinely have, even if she did so in a sloppy and politically suspect way.) At some point policing people's sentiments to make sure they aren't McCarthy-esque gets ridiculous. Do we have to list all the religions that were involved in wars every time we mention Muslim extremism?

Of course not because from what I believe, religion should NEVER be a valid excuse to create all this hate and destruction. It's wrong.

 

[Iceberg]

Yeah. Radicalism happens with any other religion. A recent example of Christian terrorism was what happened in Norway last year.

It wasn't Christian terrorism because Anders did not kill who he killed in the name of God. Not that I am defending his actions, but what he did was in retaliation to the countless terrorist and violent acts committed in the name of Islam (For instance, according to Oslo police, 100% of violent rape between people who did not know each other is committed by Muslim immigrants and 9/10 victims are native Norwegians). He actually claimed self-defence in court because "he was protecting his nation from Islam". By the way, all the people killed were either Muslims or leftist supporters of Muslim immigration.

If Anders killed all those people in the name of Christianity, it would have been Christian terrorism.

It's kind of frustrating, because nobody here was doing that, but it's as if people were combing what they said in an effort to see if they even implied it, because they were too nervous that speaking bluntly was being prejudiced. A number of people here just want to point out that Muslim extremists are a valid threat regardless of the fact that not all terrorists are Muslim extremists. (And by extension, Bachmann echoes a fear that people genuinely have, even if she did so in a sloppy and politically suspect way.) At some point policing people's sentiments to make sure they aren't McCarthy-esque gets ridiculous. Do we have to list all the religions that were involved in wars every time we mention Muslim extremism?

Exactly. I am well aware that not all Muslims are terrorist. I would be unfathomably stupid if I did believe that. My point was that Islamic terrorism (and radical Islam as a whole) is a very real threat. By calling it Islamophobia people are suggesting that this fear is completely ridiculous. Why don't you try telling someone who survived 9/11 that their fear of radical Islam in unfounded? That would be like telling a Jew who survived the holocaust that they have no reason to fear Nazism.

Of course not because from what I believe, religion should NEVER be a valid excuse to create all this hate and destruction. It's wrong.

How right you are. The whole reason I'm an Atheist is because I study history and intently watch the news. After reading about all the blood spilt in the name of religion I couldn't possibly have anything to do with it (not that I am against people who are religious). I know some people are able to put that stuff behind them and accept religion for its peaceful qualities. I however, am incapable of forgiving something as terrible as the deaths, often brutal, of countless lives. I can understand where this lust for blood comes from.

If you look at the foundation of the worlds two most popular religions (Christianity and Islam) it isn't hard to see why they are the root of the vast majority of war and violence in Earth's past (since their creation). The very backbone of those religions is that there is one God. Hypothetically, there would be no space for another religion. While some people are moderate enough to ignore this, others take this seriously. Therefore they feel the need to exterminate those who will not accept their "one true God".

On the topic of the Crusades, they were not a religious conquest. The Crusades had the goal of capturing the "Holy Land", not exterminating other religions/spreading theirs (although that was a bi-product. However, in the past their have been two Jihads - Jihad being holy war in the name of Islam. The first Jihads goal was to spread Islam - and eliminate other religions - beyond the reaches of Saudi Arabia and into other parts of Arabia. The second Jihad spread Islam into Africa, east Asia, and parts of Europe. A fair few scholars think what is happening now is the third Jihad - since radical Muslim Imams say it is. So the Crusades are not really comparable with violence with the sole purpose of spreading Islam.

 

[Silver Soul]

Getting back on topic, found this funny article. You know what inspired Backmann for these accusations? Ask Frank Gaffney who plans to discredit Grover Norquist with Muslim Brotherhood accusations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/frank-gaffney-grover-norquist-muslim-brotherhood_n_1699604.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

[groundon666]

Since we are talking about wars, (or, were.), one thing to keep in mind, about wars, and the such involving religion, remember, no matter the excuse, those people did do terrible things. Just because people, even a large group of people, do an act of injustice, for their own beliefs, does not actually reflect the belief said, everyone who believes in it, or the like. Any religion can get a radical in there, and screw things up for others who dont believe the same thing. Before judging a belief, dont judge it on the people, (If I did, I would not be a Christian)(Also, DOES not mean all the people are doing bad things, just humans look at the bad people first, before seeing that they could be a minority.) and dont judge it on emotions(eg. I believe in God because church felt good!, I dont believe because things suck now!). We should all agree, even though we understand why someone believes what they believe, that beliefs should be based on logic, and not, emotions.

Just felt like putting that bit of information on this. You all seem like good people, just trying to contribute why someone should believe in something, if someone found t hepful, or saw flaws in this statement, pleas, tell me!

 

[Snorunt conservationist]

To those that hate without a reasonable justification will be stricken down by the karma in which the energy being produced by such negative emotions and thoughts create.

Islam is used as a pretext for the oppression (and often murder) of millions of women in the home, and as a further source of oppression for people of all races and genders in countries run by Islamic fascists. I call that a reasonable justification.

Islamaphobia, is a simple term used to justify and legalize religious hate and discrimination in which would other wise be considered illegal by american law.
Thus those acting within such words are legally exempt from such laws.. Go figure the rest out...

No it isn't. It's a term used by the moronic white guilt lobby and muslims to prevent criticism of their religion.

Also, Islamaphobia in which the word would suggest, is a person being scared of an Islamic

No it isn't.

I'm not going to embrace Islamophobia just because you tell me to. Why would I hate a religion that has done absolutely nothing to harm me or my well-being? The fact that you're spewing this garbage only serves to show how close-minded you really are.

Using that logic you shouldn't hate terrorism. As far as I know it's done nothing to harm you or your well-being. What an incredibly selfish view of the world. If a religion having a violent paedophile as their prophet doesn't worry you, well then great. Yet don't tell me that my dislike of said religion is close minded.

Yeah. Radicalism happens with any other religion. A recent example of Christian terrorism was what happened in Norway last year.

Silver Soul in white guilt shocker. Breivik is completely incomparable in terms of religious motivation compared to Islamic terrorism.