Islamophobia and McCarthyism

[Iceberg]

I've said before that I stand between the two extremes of "Islam is a religion of peace" and "most Muslims are secretly radical." But I'd like to point out that it is simply not correct to say that radical Islam "highjacked" the religion. In fact, the roots of Islam are noticeably more radical than most religions, a fact which cannot rightly be ignored.

Oh yeah, as I have said before the Quran is exceptionally violent. And unlike the Old Testament is not bound by historical context. By "hijacked" I meant more like the current modern day version of Islam practiced by what I hope is the majority (it goes without saying that if you dress your women up in burqas you are not practicing the modern day Islam). The Muslims that are preaching for the death of infidels and think the sight of a woman's ankle is sinful are giving the moderate Muslims a bad name. Both groups are taking their morals from the same place, it is just that the radicals are taking the much more extreme backward morals. Therefore "hijacking" the reputation of moderate Islam.

You're absolutely right that this cannot be ignored. So what if we offend the moderate Muslims by dealing with the radicals. The price of freedom is high. We cannot sit by and let radical Islam dwindle away our freedom because doing something wouldn't be politically correct.

 

[Sadib]

Oh yeah, as I have said before the Quran is exceptionally violent. And unlike the Old Testament is not bound by historical context.

Yeah, because the Qu'ran was only written 30 years ago.

 

[Silver Soul]

According to this poll, there is a partisan divide when it comes to views on Arab and Muslim Americans. Democrats have positive views on them but Republicans, not so much.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/republicans-muslims-arabs-poll_n_1825230.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

[BigLutz]

According to this poll, there is a partisan divide when it comes to views on Arab and Muslim Americans. Democrats have positive views on them but Republicans, not so much.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/republicans-muslims-arabs-poll_n_1825230.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Wonder how much that would have changed if 9/11 happened under Gore and not Bush, partisanship sure does make strange bedfellows, especially with how much the left hated Bush.

 

[Silver Soul]

Wonder how much that would have changed if 9/11 happened under Gore and not Bush, partisanship sure does make strange bedfellows, especially with how much the left hated Bush.

Don't talk like 9/11 was NOT foreshadowed and you are just splitting hairs.

 

[BigLutz]

Don't talk like 9/11 was NOT foreshadowed

Sure it was, but the FBI and CIA were unable to get the data in/share the resources.

and you are just splitting hairs.

No I really am not, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Republicans and Bush targeted the Middle East after the terror attacks, and the Democrats took a sympathetic position as soon as they could.

 

[Silver Soul]

Sure it was, but the FBI and CIA were unable to get the data in/share the resources.

No I really am not, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Republicans and Bush targeted the Middle East after the terror attacks, and the Democrats took a sympathetic position as soon as they could.

You know what the irony is? Republicans politicized 9/11 but when it comes to the first responders, it was tax cuts for billionaires over health care for our heroes. It questions what is a real American.

 

[BigLutz]

You know what the irony is? Republicans politicized 9/11 but when it comes to the first responders, it was tax cuts for billionaires over health care for our heroes.

Yeah because, you know those two issues were directly related to one another... oh wait they are not.

It questions what is a real American.

Dunno ask the party that was rooting for failure in Iraq so badly they actually declared the war lost.

 

[Silver Soul]

Yeah because, you know those two issues were directly related to one another... oh wait they are not.

Dunno ask the party that was rooting for failure in Iraq so badly they actually declared the war lost.

Rooting for failure? It was NOT our business to go into Iraq and we were LIED about WMDs within the nation. It was a mistake for our nation going there.

And let's ask the party who has been calling the President a socialist, secret Muslim, communist, and Kenyan.

 

[BigLutz]

Rooting for failure? It was NOT our business to go into Iraq and we were LIED about WMDs within the nation. It was a mistake for our nation going there.

Lied? That implies fore knowledge that they knew about the WMDs before hand. If so that means that Clinton also knew they were not there in 1998

And let's ask the party who has been calling the President a socialist, secret Muslim, communist, and Kenyan.

So now we are getting into the radical crazies? You really want to go there? Because on the Democrat side its the truthers. And calling Obama a socialist, muslim, communist, kenyan. Is pretty nice compared with what Bush had to deal with.

 

[Sadib]

Lied? That implies fore knowledge that they knew about the WMDs before hand. If so that means that Clinton also knew they were not there in 1998

I'm pretty sure absolutely positive that there are WMDs under BigLutz's bed. I think our troops should check that out.

 

[BigLutz]

I'm pretty sure absolutely positive that there are WMDs under BigLutz's bed. I think our troops should check that out.

Cute, got any proof to back that up? We know that Saddam has used them before, and had many before kicking the UN inspectors out in 98.

 

[Silver Soul]

Lied? That implies fore knowledge that they knew about the WMDs before hand. If so that means that Clinton also knew they were not there in 1998

So now we are getting into the radical crazies? You really want to go there? Because on the Democrat side its the truthers. And calling Obama a socialist, muslim, communist, kenyan. Is pretty nice compared with what Bush had to deal with.

Should I feel sympathy for a guy who basically land a jet on a carrier and basically spiked the football before the game had begun in the election year? And I expect you would slam Obama for politicizing OBL's demise but that's tame compared to that.

 

[BigLutz]

Should I feel sympathy for a guy who basically land a jet on a carrier and basically spiked the football before the game had begun in the election year?

A: Didn't know that 2003 was a election year.

B: The football was spiked on the defeat of Saddam which he was.. defeated? What happened next was mainly the doing of al Qaeda and Iran.

And I expect you would slam Obama for politicizing OBL's demise but that's tame compared to that.

Mind telling how? I mean atleast Bush didn't leak secrets to Hollywood so they could make a movie about it.

 

[Silver Soul]

A: Didn't know that 2003 was a election year.

B: The football was spiked on the defeat of Saddam which he was.. defeated? What happened next was mainly the doing of al Qaeda and Iran.

It was acknowledged back in May 2003 that Bush was in full campaign mode and that the banner was regrettable concerning what happened late on.

Mind telling how? I mean atleast Bush didn't leak secrets to Hollywood so they could make a movie about it.

Oh yes, because it's not like there have been past Presidents that leaked secrets. Why don't you ask Dick Cheney with the WMD leaks?

I'm just point trying to make a point about what is really dividing America.

 

[BigLutz]

It was acknowledged back in May 2003 that Bush was in full campaign mode

Doesn't make it a election year, normally Presidents campaign for all 4 years of their first term.

and that the banner was regrettable concerning what happened late on.

Of course but it wasn't any less true.

Oh yes, because it's not like there have been past Presidents that leaked secrets. Why don't you ask Dick Cheney with the WMD leaks?

Most Presidents have secrets leaked that they do not want out, it is no secret that Obama has turned leaking national security information into a art form.

I'm just point trying to make a point about what is really dividing America.

And I will remind you many Republicans rallied around Obama in the immediate aftermath, I myself still have a thanks to him for it in my sig. However that does not mean that both sides will continue their honeymoon over it. Just as Democrats were quick to tear down Bush as quickly as they could after 9/11 and the capture of Saddam.

 

[Sadib]

Cute, got any proof to back that up? We know that Saddam has used them before, and had many before kicking the UN inspectors out in 98.

Why would I need to proof? It's pretty obvious you have them. You need to be stopped before you nuke Plano or something.

 

[Snorunt conservationist]

According to this poll, there is a partisan divide when it comes to views on Arab and Muslim Americans. Democrats have positive views on them but Republicans, not so much.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/republicans-muslims-arabs-poll_n_1825230.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Ah, the Arab American Institute, whose founder and president is a member of the executive committee of the Democratic National Committee. What an unbiased source. Reported in the completely impartial Huffington Post.

Also, this article is either shambolically written, or the questions were loaded.

Mormons received the highest negative ratings from Democrats, with 35 percent saying they viewed them unfavorably, and 45 percent responding favorably. Overall, Democrats gave net positive responses to all religions. Republicans delivered net negatives to Muslims, Muslim-Americans, Arabs and Arab-Americans, while also showing a tendency to give followers of other non-Western religions, such as Buddhists and Hindus, high unfavorable responses.

Right, so Democratic responses (positive of course, because they're all jsut so understanding) to "religions" were all positive. Yet when discussing the Republican answers, the terms are described as such. "Muslims", "Muslim-Americans", "Arabs" and "Arab-Americans". None of those are a religion.

Republican responses defined by their response to followers and ethnic groups, Democrats to the religion itself (seemingly, though that's retarded, because if you believe in something then you're most likely going to have a negative view on ideas which run as an antithesis to your own). As I say, either shambolic reporting or loaded questioning.

 

[Iceberg]

Yeah, because the Qu'ran was only written 30 years ago.

I think you misunderstood me. While obviously a lot of values in the Quran are out-dated (like in any religious scripture), but the violent parts just say kill non-believers wherever you find them. It never mentions a historical context.

 

[Silver Soul]

Well Iowa Rep. Steve King not just stand by Bachmann's claims as he made remarks about Huma Abedin "deeply entrenched" with the Muslim Brotherhood, but also made comments about how TSA gives grandma the "Spread Eagle Search" while a "20-year-old Middle Eastern male waltzes through with a smirk on his face". His words, not mine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/steve-king-tsa_n_1828033.html?1345830086

"As America, we've decided that we're going to process everybody the same," King said. "So that means the 75-year-old grandmother gets the spread-eagle search and while that happens, maybe the 20-year-old Middle Eastern male waltzes through with a smirk on his face. I'm not making that up. I've seen that. That image will not ever leave my mind."

"But we have to do that, apparently, because we're so squeamish about making judgment calls that we've put everybody through a formula and a process so that everybody gets searched, and I don't know if we'll ever get away from that," King added.

He also criticized multicultural groups at Iowa State University.

"It started with Asians and it ended with Zeitgeist, so from A to Z, and most of them were victims' groups -- victimology -- people that feel sorry for themselves, and they're out there recruiting our young people to be part of the group that feels sorry for themselves," King said.