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It's incredible how mega evolutions affected the creation of new Pokemon and nobody noticed it

Ditto B1tch

Well-Known Member
I never liked mega evolution. Their introduction on Gen 6 seemed to be a new mechanic that would repeat on next generations, but it just showned us that Game Freak wanted to include a new battle mechanic on every generation to get forgotten later.

The word "mega" reminds something badass/amazing, not only on power but also on appearance, and most of the mega from Gen 6 are really that. Legends ZA changes that concept as being a Mega now can be either goofy, clumsy, weird. For example, if Mega Starmie were introduced in Gen VI, it would be amazing like many fan arts and not that aberration they did in ZA.

But the most important part, megas being good or bad just blurred out ideas that could have been usedto create new Pokemons or normal evolutions. After 9 generations, it's hard for Game Freak to create a new Pokemon and make it feel unique. The starters and title legendaries are very unique as they hardly repeat animals for those roles, but the rest of the dexes needed more uniqueness.

Some examples:

- A runing starfish with long legs could be a total new species of Pokemon, but they wasted it on a temporary evolution for Starmie.

- A crocodile that has a giant hood to mimic a jaw could be a new Pokemon species that would harshly differ from all the other crocodile/aligattor Pokemon that exist, but they wasted the idea on a temporary Evolution for Ferligatr.

- Mega Malamar looks cool and it could be a third evolution, or they could make a new octopus/squid Pokemon with the concept of using the tentacles to hypnotize, but they just wasted the idea on a temporary evolution.

- Mega Victreebel could have been a new species of pitcher plant and the fact it hangs its own mouth is a concept that could be used to create a new Pokemon instead wasting it on a temporary evolution.

With a little edit, Mega Pinsir, Mega Heracross, Mega Absol Mega Banette, Mega Mawhile could have been indeed a normal evolution, but Game Freak is so lazy and insecure about giving evolution and pre evolution since Gen 4, therefore they prefer to give them mega evolutions because they are temporary.
 

MinorMash31

Steel Type Elite
I never liked mega evolution. Their introduction on Gen 6 seemed to be a new mechanic that would repeat on next generations, but it just showned us that Game Freak wanted to include a new battle mechanic on every generation to get forgotten later.

The word "mega" reminds something badass/amazing, not only on power but also on appearance, and most of the mega from Gen 6 are really that. Legends ZA changes that concept as being a Mega now can be either goofy, clumsy, weird. For example, if Mega Starmie were introduced in Gen VI, it would be amazing like many fan arts and not that aberration they did in ZA.

But the most important part, megas being good or bad just blurred out ideas that could have been usedto create new Pokemons or normal evolutions. After 9 generations, it's hard for Game Freak to create a new Pokemon and make it feel unique. The starters and title legendaries are very unique as they hardly repeat animals for those roles, but the rest of the dexes needed more uniqueness.

Some examples:

- A runing starfish with long legs could be a total new species of Pokemon, but they wasted it on a temporary evolution for Starmie.

- A crocodile that has a giant hood to mimic a jaw could be a new Pokemon species that would harshly differ from all the other crocodile/aligattor Pokemon that exist, but they wasted the idea on a temporary Evolution for Ferligatr.

- Mega Malamar looks cool and it could be a third evolution, or they could make a new octopus/squid Pokemon with the concept of using the tentacles to hypnotize, but they just wasted the idea on a temporary evolution.

- Mega Victreebel could have been a new species of pitcher plant and the fact it hangs its own mouth is a concept that could be used to create a new Pokemon instead wasting it on a temporary evolution.

With a little edit, Mega Pinsir, Mega Heracross, Mega Absol Mega Banette, Mega Mawhile could have been indeed a normal evolution, but Game Freak is so lazy and insecure about giving evolution and pre evolution since Gen 4, therefore they prefer to give them mega evolutions because they are temporary.
I agree with the fact that mega Starmie is a lazy design. In fact, it could probably win the award for the worst designed 'pokemon' ever. (Besides flamigo literally just being a flamingo.)
Mega Evolution though, on the other hand, is a really cool gimmick in my opinion that allows a player to turn the tide of the battle as a wild card or use the mega as a centerpiece, such as the Primal Kyogre + Mega Gengar team aesthetic. I agree that some of the new megas aren't the best, but I think mostly all of the new megas are fine as they are in their places. Also, Mega Pinsir, Mega Heracross, Mega Absol, Mega Bannette, and Mega Mawile are perfectly fine don't mess with the good ol megas. (I can't really see any of them functioning as regular evolutions except for possible Mega Pinsir, since they are all still the same Pokemon but with something new, Like mega Banette getting zippers and pink arms and Mega Mawile getting two heads instead of one. Regular evolutions should look somewhat different, like how graveler doesn't look super like geodude, and golem doesn't look super like graveler, but at the same time you can guess that geodude evolves into graveler and the likes. Obviously this rule isn't solid and is just my take, since Feebas evolves into Milotic and Dragonair evolves into Dragonite.
Also you can just take my opinion with a grain of salt since it probably is biased towards the original megas of XY and ORAS.
:)
 

Lechonky

Active Member
I really like Megas, the best gimmick definitely out of 4 we have so far.
Some examples:

- A runing starfish with long legs could be a total new species of Pokemon, but they wasted it on a temporary evolution for Starmie.
I like Mega Starmie. You do know that they based it off some old Japanese movie with starfish when they starfish are aliens and are weird? Japan loves its culture thus making Pokemon based of Kaiju movies and older non Kaiju movies is definitely what they would do and I love it. I disagree that some fakemon are better designed than official one because official one is had lore and origins behind it while fake ones usually have more spikes, more jewelry that is basically on Digimon territory. Japan when designing these Pokemon take lot of time in making references, origins why Pokemon are looking like that and they like their mythology, movies and media, so Mega Starmie being based off starfish from that Japanese movie is good. It's also based on that Earthbound character (Starman?) which is again Japanese media which is still better than putting random spikes on or bigger jewels.

- A crocodile that has a giant hood to mimic a jaw could be a new Pokemon species that would harshly differ from all the other crocodile/aligattor Pokemon that exist, but they wasted the idea on a temporary Evolution for Ferligatr.
They can still design it though. Just make it different.

- Mega Malamar looks cool and it could be a third evolution, or they could make a new octopus/squid Pokemon with the concept of using the tentacles to hypnotize, but they just wasted the idea on a temporary evolution.
Pretty sure Mega Malamar is fine. Third evolution wouldn't be that good. GF knows what they're doing.
- Mega Victreebel could have been a new species of pitcher plant and the fact it hangs its own mouth is a concept that could be used to create a new Pokemon instead wasting it on a temporary evolution.
They can still design it just make it different.
With a little edit, Mega Pinsir, Mega Heracross, Mega Absol Mega Banette, Mega Mawhile could have been indeed a normal evolution, but Game Freak is so lazy and insecure about giving evolution and pre evolution since Gen 4, therefore they prefer to give them mega evolutions because they are temporary.
No, they look fine as Mega Evolution. Some Pokemon don't need evolution, Heracross, Pinsir, Absol, Banette and Mawile don't need it, so Mega is fine.
 

Lechonky

Active Member
I agree with the fact that mega Starmie is a lazy design. In fact, it could probably win the award for the worst designed 'pokemon' ever. (Besides flamigo literally just being a flamingo.)
Mega Starmie design is as bad as many bad designs in Pokemon. Also, Ekans is just snake backwards. GF has done that before.
 

Palamon

Silence is Purple
No, I definitely noticed when mega evolution was a thing, we got less new Pokemon. But, even after, we still got less than 100 up until gen 9, but honestly, it's not like Pokemon didn't get new evolutions after Gen 6 and even after Mega Evolution was a thing. In Gen 9, we did get some that weren't tied to new regional variants. But, some of the Megas are definitely not that great, I agree.
 

Luthor

Well-Known Member
Honestly to me I never considered it an issue until legends z-a which explicitly confirmed that pokemon that mega evolve cannot evolve further. Which means that under current lore Pokemon like Sableye (in its current form) cannot gain an evolution later. Which makes it a bigger issue now. If something like Sableye has a mega evolution but can evolve into something more permanent (but then looses the ability to mega evolve) then it wouldn't matter (the evolution would have had wildly different stats so don't clash) . They did that with Gigantamax but not with mega evolution. While they might retcon this later for now it could be an issue for those pokemon in the games where megas aren't present.
 
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