January 21st: XY&Z011 - Noibat and Floette! An Encounter in the Wind!!

[Locormus]

Super fang is very conditional, it would be like saying Bide can be used like hyper beam, but the Pokemon doesn't need to take damage.

If the writers/producers/animators confuse its effects with hyper fang then fine, maybe.

Look if they treated super fang like hyper fang I guess that would be fine, I just don't know why Noibat/Noivern needs to waste a move having super fang, I think "bite" would be more likely.

Give Ash in the potential next generation a Pokemon that can learn super fang the moment Ash catches it.

But super fang is wasted on Noibat/Noivern given all the moves it can learn. I mean maybe Noibat could've had it, but will there be any need for a giant Pokemon to have it?

I feel like there are just so much better moves.

The heck are you saying here? Can we stop referring to Bide?! If Bide is used like Hyperbeam, than of course the pokémon doesn't need to take damage, that's not how Hyperbeam works.. You're not making any sense at all. If you have Bide without the charging, than that would cheapen the move, and makes Hyperbeam seem useless. Super Fang and Hyperfang are different moves. Are you saying that Superfang can be used like Hyperfang? Sure, but in certain situations it would do more damage and in other situations the other would do more damage. Hypothetically, so not real calc's: Noivern vs. Mega Aggron. Noivern uses Hyperfang (but it can't), does 1HP damage. Noivern uses Superfang, does 140 damage. That's quite a big difference.

And than your talking about the writers confusing the effects of Superfang with Hyperfang, which would be fine in your eyes. But A. Noivern can't learn Hyperfang, so that would be an error. And B. the above comparison, when you already have strong moves Hyperfang falls flat, but if you need to bust through something like an Aggron, than something with a more fixed damage output like Superfang is infinitely better. It's not as simple as a 50Bp vs. 80Bp-deal.. Which is why even a discussing between Superfang and Bite would have me opting for Superfang. Yes, Bite has coverage, but against what that Noivern can't hit with a Flying-type move? Ghost and Psychic are simply hit with STAB-Flying.

And than you go and argue that it's better to have Ash get something with Superfang in the new generation, as long as it's not Noivern now.. Just as long as it forgets it at one point, because it isn't useful in the long run, is it? But I don't think size would have anything to do with it. You suggested Bite, what difference would it have for a Noivern to use Bite or Superfang in terms of size? Is Superfang simply a "small" pokémon move, and big pokémon can't use "small" moves? That's simply not true.

Greninja has an expensive movepool, why let it still have Double Team? It can do much better.

 

[dman_dustin]

The heck are you saying here? Can we stop referring to Bide?! If Bide is used like Hyperbeam, than of course the pokémon doesn't need to take damage, that's not how Hyperbeam works.. You're not making any sense at all. If you have Bide without the charging, than that would cheapen the move, and makes Hyperbeam seem useless. Super Fang and Hyperfang are different moves

I'm not seeing the difficulty of what I'm saying if you actually read what I quoted. Which I will do again:

Are people discussing the game's effect of the moves to especifically? Pff, the writers can make Super Fang very strong or extremely weak.

That would be the SAME as saying Bide could be used like hyper beam the only other attack I can think of WITH SIMILAR ANIMATION but not require taking damage. Anime =/= games

People use anime =/= games improperly. Sure writers/animators take liberties often. But if the effect of a move doesn't knock out the Pokemon unless it has one HP, which doesn't exist in the anime. Super fang could never realistically knock out a Pokemon since I highly doubt 1 HP would ever exist within the anime. Pretty sure due to the anime's logic, the best equivalent would be 2 hp, so using super fang would never actually deal any damage, because it would reduce it to "1" but of course due to the determination of Pokemon it would always bring their HP back to "2" for equivalence sake NOT to be taken too literally.

 

[Master_Tyrell]

It was super fang but it was never used to knock out any Pokemon, it was useful because super fang I think had the same effect contest wise, contest points reduced by half, and there are contest defensive ways to use super fang.

Thank you for the confirmation that it was Super Fang. But no, I don't think there was any instance where Super Fang depleted half of the contest points of the opponent, that would be too extreme so I don't think they went with that route in DP. Anyways, I'm not arguing whether Noibat should have it or not. I think Super Fang seems like a very good move, besides, if they keep the in-game effects, Noibat wouldn't only have Super Fang, so it could simply use another move to K.O the opponent. I'm just seeing things from a neutral point of view and there is not really any disadvantage to Noibat learning that move.

 

[WaterShuriken]

Honestly I think i would be fine with Noibat having a moveset that consisted of

* Wing Attack
* Hurricane
* Tackle
* Supersonic

Then after evolving in a future episode, it can get two moves later on.

* Wing Attack
* Hurricane
* Dragon Claw
* Boomburst

Two physical and two special moves.

 

[Master_Tyrell]

Honestly I think i would be fine with Noibat having a moveset that consisted of

* Wing Attack
* Hurricane
* Tackle
* Supersonic

Then after evolving in a future episode, it can get two moves later on.

* Wing Attack
* Hurricane
* Dragon Claw
* Boomburst

Two physical and two special moves.

I notice that many want Noibat/Noivern to have a mix of Special and Physical. For me, I would like to see Noivern focus a lot more on special moves, considering Ash's other two Flying Types focus more on the Physical side. I don't know what moveset would be great for a special attacking Noivern, but I definitely agree on Boomburst and Hurricane. Noivern getting Flamethrower would also be interesting, but we'll have to wait and see how it goes. If a physical move is needed, then hopefully it is only one and the other 3 are special.

 

[Mega Altaria]

Honestly I think i would be fine with Noibat having a moveset that consisted of

* Wing Attack
* Hurricane
* Tackle
* Supersonic

Though Hurricane can start off as Gust, which it could learn in this episode. It could develop into Hurricane a few episodes later.

 

[Mrs. Oreo]

Let me ask you something. How can Noibat be a Gliscor rip-off. Gliscor wasn't hatched, so that is impossible.

Moves Noibat/Noivern
1. Take Down
2. Supersonic
3. Dragon Claw
4. Hurricane

I'd rather see him learn Flamethrower in place of Supersonic and Boomburst in place of Hurricane when he evolves personally.

 

[WaterShuriken]

Though Hurricane can start off as Gust, which it could learn in this episode. It could develop into Hurricane a few episodes later.

I am kinda hoping he gets Hurricane right away as a surprise move that he has trouble keeping powerful before it poofs out. It would be a good place to start Ash on-screen training him.

 

[Mega Altaria]

I am kinda hoping he gets Hurricane right away as a surprise move that he has trouble keeping powerful before it poofs out. It would be a good place to start Ash on-screen training him.

Yeah it could try attacking the Breloom with Hurricane but it keeps on missing so it could develop more.

 

[MegaSalamence05]

The good old Dragon Sneeze from Iris' Axew from the last generation in which developed into Dragon Rage. I would love Hurricane to become Noibat's go to battle move in its pre-evolutionary state before getting Boom Burst as Noivern. It does look angry enough to use a stronger move than Tackle/Supersonic here vs. Breloom. Floette might even help train Noibat to use Hurricane to an extent.

 

[Mrs. Oreo]

The good old Dragon Sneeze from Iris' Axew from the last generation in which developed into Dragon Rage. I would love Hurricane to become Noibat's go to battle move in its pre-evolutionary state before getting Boom Burst as Noivern. It does look angry enough to use a stronger move than Tackle/Supersonic here vs. Breloom. Floette might even help train Noibat to use Hurricane to an extent.

I kind of think he'll have just basic attacks for now tho to match his infancy stage, so I'm not expecting him to know Hurricane as a Noibat since it seems too advanced for him to me. ^^

 

[Gillachu]

Honestly I think i would be fine with Noibat having a moveset that consisted of

* Wing Attack
* Hurricane
* Tackle
* Supersonic

Then after evolving in a future episode, it can get two moves later on.

* Wing Attack
* Hurricane
* Dragon Claw
* Boomburst

Two physical and two special moves.

Good moveset except I don't think he'll have both Wing Attack and Hurricane at once as a Noivern. Just one or the other.

 

[Dephender]

We have a new summary. At least there's one additional detail here.

A passing Floette saves Noibat, who has been poisoned by an angry Breloom.

 

[i2i]

We have a new summary. At least there's one additional detail here.

Best guess right now is Floette use Aromatherapy to save Noibat.

 

[Mega Altaria]

Maybe the Breloom is revealed to have its Ability as Effect Spore, which as Noibat accidentally attacks it with Tackle, it gets poisoned and Breloom gets angry.

 

[Pepsi_Plunge]

So Noibat evolves to beat Breloom, well at least it has Tackle now.

 

[XXD17]

Maybe the Breloom is revealed to have its Ability as Effect Spore, which as Noibat accidentally attacks it with Tackle, it gets poisoned and Breloom gets angry.

Or maybe...you know...it uses poison powder on noibat...i know breloom technically can't learn it, but shroomish can...

 

[Mega Altaria]

So Noibat evolves to beat Breloom, well at least it has Tackle now.

No no, I don't really want Noibat to evolve that early. It should develop more in a few more episodes and then it can evolve. This time, I'm hoping that it learns a Flying move.

Or maybe...you know...it uses poison powder on noibat...i know breloom technically can't learn it, but shroomish can...

Yeah I was considering that but Effect Spore saves a few seconds of time. In this scenario, Noibat accidentally attacks Breloom with Tackle and in anger, Breloom uses Poison Powder on Noibat.

 

[phanpycross]

So Noibat evolves to beat Breloom, well at least it has Tackle now.

Kind of underwhelming compared to Moltres and defending a ninja village, but I wouldnt mind. They could play it off by sayng that terminus cave is radioactive or something, and that's why noibat is evolving so quickly.

 

[nickdt]

Kind of underwhelming compared to Moltres and defending a ninja village, but I wouldnt mind. They could play it off by sayng that terminus cave is radioactive or something, and that's why noibat is evolving so quickly.

The only way they can make that work, if is Braixen and Meowth also evolve (And we know Meowth will stay as is).