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Johto Starter Rant

Discussion in 'Past Pokémon Generations Discussion' started by Zora, Jul 22, 2006.

  1. Zora

    Zora Well-Known Member

    Mods, if feel that this should be closed, do so.

    Okay, this has been bothering me ever since this Johto trio has been released. Everyone thinks and treats them as starters. Here is a problem though, they have never been starters in this generation. They were presented as Johto Pokemon in both Emerald, XD, and PC. Here is the truth:

    They are not actually starters in this generation.

    If he haven't been so noticable, you should have seen that Emerald, FireRed, and LeafGreen have all Johto Pokemon avalible, minus legendaries. This proves the theory (err... fact) that Nintendo made it so you could get all Johto Pokemon (minus legendaries, and forever more when I say that) in the GBA packs. They did this so people would have access to most Pokemon. Plus if went to the events, you could get Ho-oh, Lugia, and Celebi from the packs.

    If anyone ever read the PC game box it said "Get Pokemon never seen in before seen out of Johto..." This does include this trio. Keep in mind that Umbreon and Espeon were your starters, and eevee was in your second game (see something?). Also, XD feature most PC Pokemon in there first form. Think about it:

    Ledyba
    Houndour
    Johto Trio
    Lavitar (never said via shadow)
    and more.

    Therefore, I hope my rant made its loud point on how they were never present as starters, but as Johto Pokemon.[/rant]
     
  2. The Thunderbird

    The Thunderbird Dreams come true

    They were the Pokemon you start out with in the 2nd gen.
     
  3. summnor1201

    summnor1201 I Crave Blood

    Everyone calls them Jhoto Starters Cause thats what they are
     
  4. Zora

    Zora Well-Known Member

    This is 3rd generation. That is why I said "In this generation..."


    THey were only in the 2nd generation. It is like a title they have though. However people think like next generation they will give us a old/new starter trio after doing something, because emerald did it. Emerald did not do it so you can have another starter intially, but so you could get all Johto Pokemon from game packs assuming you owned both Kanto games and emerald. In FrLg, they made you choose one of the legendary dogs indirectly, in Emerald it was on of this trio. My point was they were never presented as starters in this generation, but as Johto Pokemon. People are thinking this is going to be a new trend, but it will not. Like people thought the Kanto trio was going to be in XD because the Johto ones were. That was wrong, since XD helped by giving many Pokemon only avalible in FrLgRS to Emerald. They only lacked Slowpoke line IIRC, everything else was there. People need to understand why Emerald did this, and it is not because of the fact they wanted two starter trios.
     
  5. Watermaniac

    Watermaniac My 1st shiny ever

    Man, i think that you're maybe analyzing this a little too much. They are told the johto startes because indeed they were the options to start in GSC, so you have to get over it
     
  6. Moonlight.

    Moonlight. Well-Known Member

    They are Johto starters in the sense that they're the starters of Johto, but they were never starters in the third gen. No-one ever said they were starters this gen.
     
  7. greta_lover

    greta_lover I don't know........

    Shouldn't this go in the 2nd generation forum?
     
  8. Just because you don't "start" with them doesn't mean they can't be called starters. As you said youself in your second post, it's a title they have been given. Your rant won't change the fact that they will always be called starters.
     
  9. Wert_the_Wolf

    Wert_the_Wolf I want your cheese..

    I really need to stop reading other people's rants...<.<
     
  10. Zora

    Zora Well-Known Member

    Why? I am ranting mainly about PC, Emerald, and XD, all of which are in the 3rd generation. In the 2nd generation they were presented as starters, in this generation they are presented as Johto Pokemon.

    Okay, this is what I mean:

    Neither of these are nor will be true. These ideals are bothering me, so I decided to rant about it. IF WE COULD CONNECT TO GSCRBY, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN US JOHTO STARTERS IN THE 3RD GENERATION.

    But since we could not, they had to give us them back. Kanto took care of a good half, Emerald took care of the other. PC/XD had all of them in it, (XD also had Kanto), but had some unneeded Pokemon too.
     
  11. chosen_one386

    chosen_one386 Angel of Chaos

    I don't really get this rant...

    Anyway, they are JHOTO STARTERS, not 3rd gen starters. No one said they were 3rd gen starters, did they?
     
  12. Zora

    Zora Well-Known Member

    You'd be surprised. I actually found this post from DP, this is a real example

    And XD, man was that a headache.
     
  13. Shinin

    Shinin Minimalist

    It's not that hard to understand. As long as you recognise the phrase "Johto starters" as what everyone who uses it means by it, it shouldn't be very hard to know what people like that are talking about.

    Also, it's easier to say "Johto starters" than to say "second generation starters."
     
  14. Hoshi no Kabii

    Hoshi no Kabii Well-Known Member

    Aww. I thought this was going to be a good rant on how the Jhoto starters were shafted:(

    They are called Jhoto starters. They were the starters in the Jhoto region. There is no Jhoto region in the third generation. You call them Jhoto pokemon. These 'Jhoto pokemon' were not actually in Jhoto. They were in Colo., XD, and Emerald. We calling them Jhoto starters refers to the fact that they were starters of the Jhoto region. Just because they are not in Jhoto, does not make them ordinary 'Jhoto pokemon.' If you trade a Charmander from Leaf Green to Emerald, it is still a Kanto starter. Same with Jhoto Starters.

    I dove thee Jhoto Starters.
     
  15. Pure

    Pure back.

    Exactly. What did you call Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle before FRLG came out? Kanto Starters. When the 4th gen comes out, what will you call Treecko, Mudkip and Torchic? 3rd generation starters? Incorrect, as there are 2 sets of 3rd gen games. Call them Hoenn starters. Would you call the badges 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen badges instead of Kanto, Johto, Hoenn badges?

    [nitpick]And it's Johto, not Jhoto...[/nitpick]
     
  16. Zora

    Zora Well-Known Member

    Okay, I am not ranting on the title. I am ranting on the idea that we are now starting to get:

    1.) More then one starter trio each generation

    2.) Console RPG's do not contain starters just so you choose a "starter." That is what the Eevee's for.

    3.) That if they were able to get, no one would have these ideals.


    That is what I am ranting on. Not the title. Yes I am well aware of their title, but their title does not mean that you get benefits like more starters or Console RPG's have them as starters.
     
  17. Havoc Houndoom

    Havoc Houndoom Cascade Trainer

    In all technicality, the second Shadow Pokemon you Snag in Colosseum is a second-level form of one of the Johto starters. So, though your real 'starters' are Espeon and Umbreon, and there's a shadow Makuhita first, the real 'choice' is between Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw.

    True, you get the others later, but that's beside the point.
     
  18. Zora

    Zora Well-Known Member

    You choose one because most games make you choose an event Pokemon:

    RBYFrLg: Fossil/Dog

    GSC: Eeveelution

    RSE: Fossils

    PC: Johto Trio

    XD: Eeveelution

    I hidden tradition ignored. However, in GSC and PC, you could get the other choice Pokemon back through other ways.
     
  19. The Edge

    The Edge 大明

    WTF. Does it really matter?
     
  20. Shinin

    Shinin Minimalist

    Are you saying you can get the other starters in GSC?
     

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