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July 12th: M22- Mewtwo Strikes Back Evolution (July 16: Supportive screening)

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by Dephender, Jul 13, 2018.

  1. Lord Starfish

    Lord Starfish Fond of owls

    Presumably because, in the original movie, Voyager made a reference to the "seagulls of the wharf", which was supposedly changed to "the Wingull of the wharf" in the remake (a logical change; If they have a Pokémon that's perfectly analogous to the real-life seagull, why wouldn't they reference it in this scene in place of actual seagulls, which probably don't even exist in this universe?), and so since they're mentioned in the movie anyway they might as well show some?
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  2. NPT

    NPT Just a member

    Wasn't expecting the M22 OST album to have remixed BW/XY/SM tracks... but hey, I'm not complaining.

    This one in particular is my favorite.
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2019
  3. Kutie Pie

    Kutie Pie "It is my destiny."

    Apparently there was copyright reasons behind it? I dunno, just a claim I saw someone comment about.

    The soundtrack is... I dunno how I feel about it without the visuals, which I think is a shame since music should stand out without having to need the visuals to accompany it. It's nice they remixed/revised older tracks, but I'm most disappointed in them toning down the organ in the new "Arashi no Yokiza" track. Actually, I think the organ was subdued throughout the OST in general, it doesn't have the same power behind it like in the original. Mew's flute theme still has the same quiet power, but why tone down Mewtwo's organ?

    But the new "Inochi Aru Mono" is quite beautiful. That honestly caught me off-guard when I was having an otherwise apathetic approach toward the OST.
  4. Doppelgänger

    Doppelgänger Superancient Member

    I doubt it's a copyright issue. M01 already had many remixed tracks from the OS anime, which were themselves adaptions of the game tracks. All of the rights were already owned by OLM/SMG, and we saw new remixes of the OS anime in M20.

    I think it's a creative decision, both due to the standout tracks from BW/XY/SM and to better tie in with recent anime. When M01 debut, there was only a year's worth of music to pull for the movie, versus 20+ years today. There were less options available to score the screenplay.
  5. NPT

    NPT Just a member

    Not really. Movie 1 had only two remixed tracks from the anime... the unreleased Kanto Route 1 remix and a remix of 1997~1998-M14 (Rocket-Powered Disaster). Rest were specifically composed for the movie.
  6. Mew2

    Mew2 Team Rocket's Enemy

    Is there a place where you can get the Limited Edition music collection for the movie in the U.S.? I've been looking for a way to get the Epic Battle: Who's Stronger movie version and the limited edition seems to be the only CD that has it.
  7. Missingno. Master

    Missingno. Master Poison-type Trainer

    I mean, they are Gym Leaders. It's not like they're unknown nobodies, especially within the Kanto region.
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  8. sandtreamftw

    sandtreamftw On and Off Trainer

    Of some of the tracks they did reused, I really like the new rendition of Miracle Tears and Enter Mewtwo, just to name a few. I wish they'd reworked some of the classic older tunes, though, but not a big deal.
  9. ash&charizardfan

    ash&charizardfan Humanity's greatest soldier

    One quetion for whoever watched this movie, was it total copy f first movie or there was something different and did the companions contributed something or they were just standing there like in first movie.
  10. Redstar45


    It is mostly just same as first pocket monsters movie and while there are few small different...it is not a big deal sorry.
  11. Yce288

    Yce288 Grass type FTW

    There were some different things which i already posted before, but since Bulbapedia added some more i'll write them again with the added ones:
    • Mewtwo's armor has a different design, and can also act as a restraint should it rebel. Giovanni attempts and fails to utilize this feature before Mewtwo escapes the Team Rocket HQ.
    • Giovanni wears a black suit in this movie, instead of the orange suit he wore until the Best Wishes series.
    • Raymond's Golem is replaced by a Drowzee, in the process eliminating the error present in Mewtwo Strikes Back, where Pikachu manages to knock out the part Ground-type with a Thunderbolt.
    • While Mewtwo observes Ash's battle with Raymond, Nurse Joy delivers some exposition about Misty and Brock.
    • Ash's Charizard lets itself out of its Poké Ball and tries to battle Dragonite when it lands.
    • Team Rocket attempts to take Ash and his friends to New Island in a Lapras-shaped sailboat, with the Viking motif being eliminated entirely. Team Rocket also sing a song during this scene.
    • Brock tries to flirt with Neesha, which he doesn't do in Mewtwo Strikes Back.
    • When Ash is petrified during the movie's climax, he turns to black stone instead of gray rock.
    • The ending credits now feature paintings of Ash and his friends in different areas.
    • A Generation III Pokémon, Wingull, appears in the movie's ending credits.
      • Miranda also mentions Wingull earlier in the movie. This is an alteration of an existing line in the Japanese version of Mewtwo Strikes Back, where she refers to regular seagulls instead.
    • The post-credits scene, which was previously a shot of Mew flying off into the mountains, now shows Mewtwo and the clones flying toward Mount Quena, foreshadowing Mewtwo Returns.
    • Some of the music featured in the movie is remixed from preceding movies, including Black—Victini and Reshiram, Genesect and the Legend Awakened (which also starred a Mewtwo), Hoopa and the Clash of Ages, and Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel.
  12. Kutie Pie

    Kutie Pie "It is my destiny."

    I don't know where IMDB got the information from, but apparently the U.S. release date is November 17th, exactly a week later from the November 10th release of 1999. I just find that pretty hilarious, although if it was going to be released on a Sunday anyway, they could've gone that extra mile and just released it exactly on the 10th lol. I also saw listed in the crew section that Lisa Ortiz will be voice director, and the thanks section lists Ralph Schuckett and John Loeffler as well as Norman J. Grossfeld, though that might not mean anything. Still, interesting.

    No word yet on Mewtwo's dub actor, but Fergus is listed for Carter Cathcart since, well, he did the role before and he's still involved with the dub, so he probably reprised the role. I wish IMDB would cite sources, though.
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  13. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris Professional Scholar with a Sword

    Oh boy. An apparent visual "upgrade" with a downgrade on the cast for us.
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  14. Twilight-Kun

    Twilight-Kun Pokemon World Champion

    For the most part, movies tend to have much better voice direction and delivery, probably because they have a much longer time period to do them compared to a weekly series

    The delivery may not be completely perfect, but it should be far, far, far less wooden and stilted
  15. (P.O.K.E.M.O.N)

    (P.O.K.E.M.O.N) AshXSerena = Canon

    Do we know if the OST from this movie will be used in the anime? Surprisingly, Movie 20 and 21's soundtrack hasn't been used at all in the anime.
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  16. Lord Starfish

    Lord Starfish Fond of owls

    Movie 20's has been used plenty. Heck, the Alola League has been outright spamming "A Heated Fire Showdown" aka the remix of the Regi battle music. Movie 21's hasn't been used yet, but I imagine we'll start hearing it soon. For some reason they seem to wait for more than a year between releasing a movie's OST and using it in the show... Maybe so as to keep said music uniquely tied to the movie for a while?
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  17. (P.O.K.E.M.O.N)

    (P.O.K.E.M.O.N) AshXSerena = Canon

    Interesting that they would use that soundtrack, but not other one's from the movie. Especially meeting and parting or tears after a cloudy weather.
  18. Lord Starfish

    Lord Starfish Fond of owls

    Oh, they've used other tracks too. Like Pikachu VS Ho-Oh (you know... the Pokémon main theme?) for Zeraora's appearance in episode 100, or Ho-Oh Descends during the climax of 108... But yeah, somehow both those tracks you mentioned have yet to appear in the show. Would not be surprised to hear Meetings and Partings (Well, the M20 version is technically called Each to Their Own Way but... details) in the final episode though.
  19. Twilight-Kun

    Twilight-Kun Pokemon World Champion

    Nothing's particularly warranted using them besides maybe Mallow meeting her mother

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