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July 21st: XY&Z034 - Semifinal Full Battle! Ash VS Shota!!

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Pokemon Fan

Knuckle Trainer
I just can't help but feel like all the tension from this league is gone when we know in advance only 2 pokemon in the entire league can go up against greninja, so using anything else is just a waste of time and is only useful for giving some useless KO fodder some irrelevant screentime.

And since we already know Ash faces Alan, its apparent that Sawyer loses here.
Isn't that sort of thing true of every league for which we get episode titles in advance? The "tension" comes from seeing how Ash wins, which pokemon get to shine in the battle, etc.
 

LizardonX

Banned
Isn't that sort of thing true of every league for which we get episode titles in advance? The "tension" comes from seeing how Ash wins, which pokemon get to shine in the battle, etc.
The issue here, more than with any other league is how absurdedly overpowered Greninja is compared to both the other pokemon on Ash's team and the other trainers of the league.

As long as he's on the team, there is no tension involved because it struggling against anything less than a mega against normal trainers won't make a lick of sense with how its been portrayed. The previews also shows that reserves aren't happening.
 
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Pokemon Fan

Knuckle Trainer
The issue here, more than with any other league is how absurdedly overpowered Greninja is compared to both the other pokemon on Ash's team and the other trainers of the league.

As long as he's on the team, there is no tension involved because it struggling against anything less than a mega against normal trainers won't make a lick of sense with how its been portrayed.
Which you have to admit is true of pretty much every mega that's been depicted in the anime. When megas are beaten by non mega pokemon it is either because the non mega is much more experienced/stronger to begin with, or it gets worn down from fighting more than one regular pokemon during the battle. Ergo it is consistent if nothing less to have Ash-Greninja depicted in a similar way.

Albeit the fact that Wulfric's Abomasnow took several hits before it mega evolved shows that especially if the non mega has a type advantage/bulk the pokemon is not necessarily going to get quickly knocked out by a mega or mega equivalent pokemon.
 

GalladeRocks

Son of a Beach
The issue here, more than with any other league is how absurdedly overpowered Greninja is compared to both the other pokemon on Ash's team and the other trainers of the league.

As long as he's on the team, there is no tension involved because it struggling against anything less than a mega against normal trainers won't make a lick of sense with how its been portrayed. The previews also shows that reserves aren't happening.
I kinda get what you're saying to a point, but I think there's still a good deal of tension in the underlying battles. Matches like Pikachu vs. Aegislash and other ones which aren't just a Mega-slugfest still have to happen, we can safely assume that Greninja won't just be sweeping Sawyer and Alain, even if the earlier battles are a complete breeze. So there's still all of that to look forward to.

Anyways, in regards to Ash vs. Sawyer, the confirmed match-ups so far are Pikachu vs. Aegislash and Clawitzer and Greninja vs. Sceptile, right? I'm going to guess right now that the hypothetical/probable Goodra will be the one to bring down Salamence, probably after it takes down at least two of Ash's Pokemon, then getting taken out by Sceptile before Greninja steps in. I won't be surprised if there's a fall guy, which I'd guess will be Talonflame or maybe Hawlucha.
 

DS0308

<--- Actually me
Which you have to admit is true of pretty much every mega that's been depicted in the anime. When megas are beaten by non mega pokemon it is either because the non mega is much more experienced/stronger to begin with, or it gets worn down from fighting more than one regular pokemon during the battle. Ergo it is consistent if nothing less to have Ash-Greninja depicted in a similar way.
I thought this was obvious...
 

shac

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I am seriously hoping more than half of this episode is dedicated to other battles. I really want to see at least a proper montage of Ash progressing to semis. May be this episode ends with Ash and Shota sending out their first pokemon in battle. Similar to how Ash vs Tyson started with Glaile and Sceptile being sent out and charging at each other.
 

Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
I am seriously hoping more than half of this episode is dedicated to other battles. I really want to see at least a proper montage of Ash progressing to semis. May be this episode ends with Ash and Shota sending out their first pokemon in battle. Similar to how Ash vs Tyson started with Glaile and Sceptile being sent out and charging at each other.
Which would be weird. As the previous episode we see Tierno vs. Sawyer in the quarterfinals. Then we would see Ash in the quarterfinal here, and then start his semifinal in the same episode? We're all just bartering here for battles that probably won't be shown in the end. We wanted a Hoenn League, we got a Unova League.. -.-
 

STICKTOPIA

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Which would be weird. As the previous episode we see Tierno vs. Sawyer in the quarterfinals. Then we would see Ash in the quarterfinal here, and then start his semifinal in the same episode? We're all just bartering here for battles that probably won't be shown in the end. We wanted a Hoenn League, we got a Unova League.. -.-
this definitely will not be a unova league
 

Joltik-Kid

Meh ಠ_ಠ
It is Unova in the sense that all these rivals were introduced... yet Ash is only facing 2 of them. Not to mention the battles thus far seem uninspiring until the full battles occur
 

nameman

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It is Unova in the sense that all these rivals were introduced... yet Ash is only facing 2 of them. Not to mention the battles thus far seem uninspiring until the full battles occur
Because the battles are being sacrificed so far for the sake of the story. Did nobody notice that XYZ32 followed a very similar style to the other arcs that XY has been using? Sure it's different, but that doesn't make it bad. And before people once again say the episode was rushed, there's a difference between rushing and glossing over what isn't considered too important to the tale.

What if the punk-looking guy wasn't a CotD, but a friendly rival throughout the region that failed to make the League? Ash and he bond throughout the Gen, only for Ash to learn that he couldn't make it. Then he challenges Ash to a final match for the same reasons this guy did? Would that have been bad? Plus, there's even more to it than that. I won't get into that to avoid tl;dr territory.

That scene had importance that's being ignored for the sake of complaining that we're not seeing battles from everyone. The battles will come when they come. And they will likely be amazing to watch.
 
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This would be the first 6 on 6 battle right? Because 3 on 3 for the semi finals/finals won't cut it. Have to wait three weeks for this episode (next week is Tierno vs Sawyer and second week is a break).
 

Red and Blue

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Wonder which of Sawyer's Pokemon Goodra will go up against? Noivern may take out Salamance given the same typing so maybe Surpluff. Would be a great chance to show how much it has gotten over its fear of fairies
 
Ash's 6th pokemon whatever it is would probably have a go at either Salamence or Sawyer's sixth pokemon. Salamence would probably take out Noivern considering Salamence is a pseudo and stronger in stats.
 

WaterShuriken

"I..I..Iron Tail, Pikachu."
Wonder which of Sawyer's Pokemon Goodra will go up against? Noivern may take out Salamance given the same typing so maybe Surpluff. Would be a great chance to show how much it has gotten over its fear of fairies
I think it will beat Sawyer's 6th and Slurpuff.
 

ZettaSlowKing

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Ash's 6th pokemon whatever it is would probably have a go at either Salamence or Sawyer's sixth pokemon. Salamence would probably take out Noivern considering Salamence is a pseudo and stronger in stats.

Nah. What better way for Noivern to get a signature win than to beat Salamence; a Pokemon thats bigger and badder than him in almost every way.
I can see it being akin to that epic fight we got between Gliscor and Paul's Drapion in the Sinnoh League. I hope they get in an aerial dogfight with Noivern using its speed to upset Salamence.
But i digress.

Should be a good fight between the Ash and the Leprechaun. Just hope the Kalos team gets their dues.
 

ShinyCharyZard

Honesty=Infractions
Can you wait till the next several episode titles are released before rashly jumping to this conclusion?
I'm usually all for waiting to see what happens rather than jumping the gun, but even I don't see the point in denying that this league will be a disaster..

Yesterday's rubbish even made some of the Unova League look good..

Nah. What better way for Noivern to get a signature win than to beat Salamence; a Pokemon thats bigger and badder than him in almost every way.
I can see it being akin to that epic fight we got between Gliscor and Paul's Drapion in the Sinnoh League. I hope they get in an aerial dogfight with Noivern using its speed to upset Salamence.
But i digress.

Should be a good fight between the Ash and the Leprechaun. Just hope the Kalos team gets their dues.
You're forgetting the part where Noivern will obviously lose so that Greninja can defeat Salamence instead, because no-one on the Kalos team matters anymore now that we're at the league.
 
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Haunter ゴースト

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LOL.

Yesterdays episode was way better than the Unova League aside from the Ash vs Stephan battle.

As rushed as the episode was, it set things up nicely and visually looked cool all the way through. This league will be one of the best.
 

Acrobatics

Sky Master
Goddamn, I'm kinda mad that there is seriously another break in 2 weeks. As for shouta, I'm curious as to why he and ash's gang was seperate in the last episode and that they kinda kept their distance. It was pretty cool tbh cuz I feel like they didn't want to anowledge each other yet but had deep respect for one another. Ash vs shouta is gonna be excellent and I really doubt it's gonna be the "greninja show"
 
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