Spyro39
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If not for the Z-move, would Pikachu still be able to beat Mega Metagross?
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July 22nd: PM2019 118 - Satoshi Heads Into Battle! VS Daigo!!
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Almighty Zard
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could steven's metagross beat pikachu without going mega?
pikachu's already beaten 2 of them, one by himself, after single handedly beating another psuedo.
HatersGonnaHate
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What I’m saying is it’s all farfetched that Pikachu can pull any of this off
nuzamaki90
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Dislike this argument so much, because people really don’t know what they are talking about lol Even in the games Pikachu can take on a Mega Metagross by itself lmao
HatersGonnaHate
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If you say so because Pikachus in the games can be pretty useless
nuzamaki90
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If you are talking from a competitive standpoint, Cap Pikachu using 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt on Mega Metagross is a guaranteed OHKO. It’s critical hit rate is doubled, meaning it’s almost always going to be a crit.
Even the absolute best Ubers Kyogre Calm Mind setup can’t survive a 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt to the face lmao
Aryash Bajaj
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It gets outsped and one shot by megagross.
HatersGonnaHate
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Ash doesn’t start off with that move so in theory the mouse should’ve died quickly before that
nuzamaki90
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The only move it could use to potentially one shot Pikachu is Ice Punch, and it’s still not even guaranteed. Meteor Mash, Psychic, Bullet Punch, etc. it’s main moves? Not taking Pikachu down.
If we are going by the games, then it wouldn’t make sense to go for any other move, because Mega Metagross outspeeds Pikachu. Pikachu would have one chance to use a move.
Aryash Bajaj
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Almost all mega metagross run Zen Headbutt and that's a guaranteed OHKO.
Also not sure which calc you are running but 10 million volt does maximum maximum 70 percent to a Megagross that has zero investment in HP or defense. It does 91 percent with electric terrain. It can't hold Light ball while using Z move.
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nuzamaki90
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I don’t know what competitive you’re playing but the only Metagross sets that run Zen Headbutt are Choice sets, which a Mega Metagross can’t run because it can’t hold Choice items.
Unless you’re talking about Battle Spot. But then we’d be getting into team battles, which would make this convo even worse. God forbid any move boosters like Electric Terrain are active.
A Pikachu with zero investment besides maxed EVs in Special Attack against an average Physical Attack Mega Metagross in Ubers
252 SpA Pikachu-Alola 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt vs. 232 HP / 40 SpD Metagross-Mega on a critical hit: 237-279 (66 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
That’s without any boosts from Calm Mind, Nasty Plot, Electric Terrain, etc or even any investments in its Speed. A Pikachu at its absolute most vulnerable.
If Electric Terrain is active:
252 SpA Pikachu-Alola 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt vs. 232 HP / 40 SpD Metagross-Mega in Electric Terrain on a critical hit: 306-361 (85.2 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
If Nasty Plot was used:
+2 252 SpA Pikachu-Alola 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt vs. 232 HP / 40 SpD Metagross-Mega on a critical hit: 471-555 (131.1 - 154.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And that’s all not even including the biggest RNG play; Static. Of course, on the off chance that Metagross is running Zen Headbutt, then Pikachu is toast. But it’s not very rare for someone to trade Ice Punch or Rock Slide for it.
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Pikachu beat Wallace's ace fairly easily.
Yes, the whole battle was trivialized and Wallace was turned into this weird character, however, that doesn't change the fact that Wallace was a Regional Champion.
He also states that he's able to hold his own against Steven (And I just don't see Steven completely Steamrolling Wallace), based on the fact that we see Elite four members like Flint/Caitlin put up a fight against a Regional Champion like Cynthia. So no reason why Wallace who should be > Hoenn Elite four, be so much weaker than Steven.
Based on this feat, there's no reason not to assume why Pikachu can't beat Mega Metagross.
Aryash Bajaj
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It runs Rock Slide to hit ho oh but runs Zen headbutt otherwise.
Of course not many use megagross now in ubers so it's hard to come across.
charchar56
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like Metagross is always depicted to be crazy fast in the anime. is it just because they all conveniently use agility or that's just the way it is? lol
nuzamaki90
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Metagross’ Mega Evolution makes it one of the fastest Pokémon in the games
In Showdown you can actually do Gmax VS Megas, and Gmax Pikachu tanks just about all of Mega Metagross’ best moves. G-Max Volt Crash is a guaranteed 2HKO. While not as crazy as 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt, the automatic paralysis kind of screws Mega Metagross over.
People really gotta stop sleeping on Pikachu. The way the anime writers use it isn’t that far off from reality lol
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Heekful
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Huh ??! Metagross learns Zen Headbutt naturally by leveling up he doesn't need any items to use it so Mega Metagross can run Zen Headbutt, his classic set is Meteor Mash , Bullet Punch , Zen Headbutt and Earthquake.
252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pikachu: 373-441 (176.7 - 209%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Remember that if Pikachu uses a Z-Move it can't hold a Light ball as well, Mega Metagross outspeed Pikachu and OHKO it.
DayQuil95
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Ash's Pikachu probably has the base stats of Let's Go Buffed Pikachu, that thing is literally faster than a Raichu.
nuzamaki90
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You read my post wrong. Mega Metagross doesn’t commonly run Zen Headbutt anymore unless it’s on Choice sets. Ice Punch or Rock Slide are used instead to handle Landorus, Dragons, and Ho-Oh. You can’t use Choice and Mega on the same set. The standard Ubers set is Meteor Mash, Bullet Punch, Rock Slide, and Ice Punch. Even in XY OU people would still choose either Thunder Punch or Zen Headbutt, just because Thunder Punch has more coverage against revengers.
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