June Plot Discussion

[G-SANtos]

There's still a lot of uncertain about the nature of Pokemon the Comic, and I think it's too early to be hopeful that it will rescue Special's serialization problem.

I'm personally not too convinced that it will be a serializing magazine but rather something like a one-off publication. Unlike magazines like Ichiban, this publication is clearly intended to release Pokemon-only manga, and honestly there aren't many on-going Pokemon serializations out there at the moment that could fill up a monthly magazine (not to mention that the currently running ones are contracted to their current magazines in some way). I don't foresee too many new Pokemon manga popping up before the start of XY either. It can't fill up its pages like Fan does with movies and games stuff because it's 'the Comic', and that would overlap with Fan.

If it's a serialization magazine, they can just create many different Pokémon manga for it. I mean, they are able to afford a weekly TV show about the Pokémon franchise, so why can't they make an entire magazine about Pokémon manga? We are talking about the one franchise that has the biggest number of published manga in all History (I think), so why not have a magazine just to publish more manga? If it's too early for any XY manga, then no problem, just make completely original stories like we have had with ReBURST and Pokémon 7.

This has proved to be different character through her designer (in a sense. Sure not include SP). Although the concept is based on Crys.

All I heard was that Kotone was designed from scratch, not that they are meant to be separate beings. While I interpret Crys and Kotone as different characters, I acknowledge this may not be the designer's intention, as you can notice some resemblance between them, and I also saw people pointing out that Kotone is just Crys with Hibiki's palette.

This seems to be meaningless since we already have a similar example Cheren & Bianca.

But they aren't game protagonists, they are unnameable rivals.

However, I just thought one thing, maybe naming the characters Black2 and White2 is an actual option. Using numbers may be come off as "unhumanoid" to us, but that is basically an Western convention; lots of Japanese names have numbers, and authors use this all the name when making twin characters, see Kōichi and Kōji in Digimon Frontier, the Marui triplets in Mitsudomoe, the Futami twins from Idolm@ster (though in this case, the number is on their surname), and even the Yamura siblings in Bokurano who aren't quadruplets.

To the point, due to existence of numbers in many Japanese names, Kusaka may find using "2" (or "two" if he uses kana) in the characters' names a perfectly normal thing.

On an irrelevant note, I had a teacher who once mentioned he knew a man with "1234" in his name.

 

[Macromind101]

Platinum...

And before her we got Blue, Yellow, Crystal, and Emerald. Kusaka always uses the names of all the main games, FR/LG and HG/SS weren't used because they are remakes, which are basically "this is what the game would be like if we made it nowadays", so maybe Kusaka counts them as the same thing as the original ones. But B2W2 aren't remakes, they are sequels, which, for this Generation, means "the third version". I'm pretty sure he'll work out "Black 2" and "White 2" in some way or another even if it's just for a nickname, and if he doesn't, he'll just use the in-game names, like he's doing with Hue.

There are also other ways of working "Black 2" and "White 2" as names for them. Someone on the With The Will forums suggested translating them to Japanese as "Kuroni" and "Shironi". Another possibility I thought is giving them full names, with their surnames having the words "black" and "white", and names containing the number "two". There are many Japanese names containig numbers on them, such as Seiichi, Mitsu (which is literally just the number "three"), and Gorō, so Kusaka could easily have the boy being named "Jirō Kurosaki" and the girl "Futaba Shirakawa", or any other name using these kanji. This would, however, be hard to adapt in English and other languages since, at least as far as I know, there aren't names containing numbers in Western languages, but I don't care, and probably nor does Kusaka since he's not writing it for Western audiences.

More to the point, "running out of names" is not a valid reason to say Kusaka won't use those characters, as he can always play with these in never-before seen ways, such as the full name suggestion.

Wait...gah what am I saying no I meant just remakes, like FRLG and HGSS. B2W2 seems to be the same thing.

Actually, there is a problem with starting Black 2 and White 2 now.

Since it's a sequel, they can't mention the events of Black and White without spoiling what happens. Pokespe tends to avoid attempting to show plot points from previous chapters until they happen in said chapter. And they can't just ignore Team Plasma being defeated, can they? That would be stupid.

When RS and FRLG ran together, they avoided revealing that the Ruby and Sapphire was the Red and Blue Orbs because it would spoil that they were destroyed.

When FRLG and E ran together, they avoided revealing the statue plot even when Oak reveals that he wanted Jirachi to grant a wish, for obvious reasons.

Then why don't Kusaka just avoid revealing the events of BW at the beginning of B2W2? It could just start with Hugh exploring the B2W2-only events at the southwestern parts of Unova, befriending Cheren and Roxie, and encountering neo-Team Plasma at Flocessy Ranch without it revealing too much about the ending of BW. As far as Cheren is concerned, Hugh is just a regular trainer so there is no reason for him to reveal what happened at N's Castle. I don't think there was a chapter that revealed what happened in the previous chapter at the very beginning.

And plus, they kinda did spoil a little of BW in the B2W2 prologue. It mentioned at the end that Team Plasma tried to interfere with the Unova League and that was before we saw N's Castle rising and disrupting the League in BW. Sure, it happened in the games and it was pretty obvious that that was going to happen but still...

 

[Coronis]

If it's a serialization magazine, they can just create many different Pokémon manga for it. I mean, they are able to afford a weekly TV show about the Pokémon franchise, so why can't they make an entire magazine about Pokémon manga? We are talking about the one franchise that has the biggest number of published manga in all History (I think), so why not have a magazine just to publish more manga? If it's too early for any XY manga, then no problem, just make completely original stories like we have had with ReBURST and Pokémon 7.

I'm afraid you're being too optimistic here. Pokemon, while being popular, is hardly a leading franchise in the manga community in Japan. When you said 'they', you have to realize that for a serialization magazine to happen, you need several manga artists to commit to its regular release, and the publisher (mostly likely Shogakukan) must be convinced that this magazine is going to sell. If you remember the Grade 3-6 magazines which were cancelled in the recent years, you could see how realistic publishers can be when it comes to sales. I personally don't think that a magazine that solely appeals to Pokemon fans is going to do very much better than ones which contain a variety of manga and appeal to different target groups.

Moreover, I doubt any manga artist out there wants to create a new Pokemon manga series based on BW2 or any older games now. Manga like Reburst and 7 are good but rare series that have some sort of 'staying' power, but you can't expect manga of such quality to just come out altogether all of a sudden. To be fair, any prospective writer who wants a piece of the Pokemon manga franchise would want to ride on the release of XY and thus its related stories, not those that are more than 1 year old in Japan. Even for Reburst and 7, they came out coinciding with the releases of BW and DP. Before the release of XY, there is simply no hype for a new Pokemon manga to happen.

I hope you are not suggesting that Kusaka/Hidenori come up with several different Pokemon manga on their own just to fill up a magazine. No serialization magazine is ever handled by a single writer (or single pair of writer in this case). The two have also expressed clearly that Special alone is giving them no room to breathe.


Coronis~

 

[e9310103838]

I'm afraid you're being too optimistic here. Pokemon, while being popular, is hardly a leading franchise in the manga community in Japan. When you said 'they', you have to realize that for a serialization magazine to happen, you need several manga artists to commit to its regular release, and the publisher (mostly likely Shogakukan) must be convinced that this magazine is going to sell. If you remember the Grade 3-6 magazines which were cancelled in the recent years, you could see how realistic publishers can be when it comes to sales. I personally don't think that a magazine that solely appeals to Pokemon fans is going to do very much better than ones which contain a variety of manga and appeal to different target groups.

Moreover, I doubt any manga artist out there wants to create a new Pokemon manga series based on BW2 or any older games now. Manga like Reburst and 7 are good but rare series that have some sort of 'staying' power, but you can't expect manga of such quality to just come out altogether all of a sudden. To be fair, any prospective writer who wants a piece of the Pokemon manga franchise would want to ride on the release of XY and thus its related stories, not those that are more than 1 year old in Japan. Even for Reburst and 7, they came out coinciding with the releases of BW and DP. Before the release of XY, there is simply no hype for a new Pokemon manga to happen.

I hope you are not suggesting that Kusaka/Hidenori come up with several different Pokemon manga on their own just to fill up a magazine. No serialization magazine is ever handled by a single writer (or single pair of writer in this case). The two have also expressed clearly that Special alone is giving them no room to breathe.


Coronis~

So we will not get "Pokemon the Comic" until late September or October?

This is bad. I cann't wait to see Red's round and B2W2.

I hope that can see Red's round in May. ;491;

 

[☭Azimuth_055☣]

Big, big stuff this time.

First up is CoroCoro Ichiban.

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Well, look who's back.

Second, and last, is Pokemon Fan.

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The final battle starts! Or continues! I'm not exactly sure which because this chapter doesn't seem to continue from the other one!

Thanks for the pics. I can't wait to see the rest.

 

[Macromind101]

Off topic but has it ever been mentioned where Cedric Juniper came from in the manga?

Maybe he hands out Pokemon to new trainers in Aspertia City?

 

[Cyclone]

As the strength slowly returns to his body, Hugh climbs back onto his knees, and grips the floor with a determined look on his face. He hollers that he will never forget what happened there today, and shall never forgive the people who did this to him and his sister He declares that his name is Hugh, Hugh of Aspertia City, and wants Team Plasma to remember that well…

And so, three years later, Team Plasma put to action their plan to liberate Pokemon, and even threatened the existence of the Pokemon League. Just as Hugh has sworn this day, he awaited his chance, and threw himself out into the battle against Team Plasma...

Wow so it seems that Hugh will be a main B2 / W2 character. Very interesting! maybe he'll rise so quickly through the region that he'll almost be seen as another Black, or a "Black 2" ahhh, see the potential there? ha

 

[☭Azimuth_055☣]

Just a question, will a manga version of Nate and Rosa appear in the BW2 arc, or is it just Black and White changing outfits?

 

[Dreamingflower]

Just a question, will a manga version of Nate and Rosa appear in the BW2 arc, or is it just Hilbert and Hilda changing outfits?

We don't know about that yet, I think it's going to be Black and White in the BW2 outfits.

 

[ReiZerou]

Sorry, I'm late.

Reaaal interesting chapters this month. It didn't really go as I predicted, which is not a bad thing at all, but I'm not very pleased that White got taken away. I mean, Black and White just got back together a few chapters ago! Why do you have to be so cruel Kusaka? Hood man better watch his butt if he ever runs into Black. I also hope that White will rescue the Gym Leaders.

Oh and, anyone noticed that the Ichiban chapter had at least 26 pages? Normally there're 24 at the most. But... There will be 30 pages in the next Ichiban according to Kusaka! And I'm sure about this, because people's responses seem to prove this. So we get six extra pages! That's pretty incredible.

There will also be more info about "Pokémon the Comic" with the next site update. Can't wait for tomorrow!

 

[lolipiece]

Uh, don't Ichiban chapters usually have 25 pages? That's including the chapter covers, so it's only five pages, right?

Gasp. 30? What could it possibly be? At least it will make up for the lack of a Pokemon Fan in May. Sort of. Is this going to be a one-time thing...or is it permanent?

Please be a White chapter. She needs the focus, especially when she only got three to herself when she split off from Black.

If not, at least have her be in it. Then next month's Fan can hopefully focus on her.

 

[ReiZerou]

Uh, don't Ichiban chapters usually have 25 pages? That's including the chapter covers, so it's only five pages, right?

Gasp. 30? What could it possibly be? At least it will make up for the lack of a Pokemon Fan in May. Sort of. Is this going to be a one-time thing...or is it permanent?

Please be a White chapter. She needs the focus, especially when she only got three to herself when she split off from Black.

If not, at least have her be in it. Then next month's Fan can hopefully focus on her.

Oh right, forgot the cover page. This month got 27 pages overall then, and next month we've got five extra pages. But it's still awesome! I think it's highly possible that we will get at least a couple additional pages per chapter in the future, since this month had two.

Yes, absolutely more White. If they don't skip around and the next chapter takes place in between this month's chapters, then it looks like there didn't really happen much between Black and N. So I'm really hopeful that it will focus on White and have just a little bit of the guys.

 

[e9310103838]

Uh, don't Ichiban chapters usually have 25 pages? That's including the chapter covers, so it's only five pages, right?

Gasp. 30? What could it possibly be? At least it will make up for the lack of a Pokemon Fan in May. Sort of. Is this going to be a one-time thing...or is it permanent?

Please be a White chapter. She needs the focus, especially when she only got three to herself when she split off from Black.

If not, at least have her be in it. Then next month's Fan can hopefully focus on her.

This month Pokemon Fan also has 26 pages (no cover). Although I feel a little short in this round......

And Next month has no Pokemon Fan. It will publish in early June. ;273;

 

[Dreamingflower]

Sorry, I'm late.

Reaaal interesting chapters this month. It didn't really go as I predicted, which is not a bad thing at all, but I'm not very pleased that White got taken away. I mean, Black and White just got back together a few chapters ago! Why do you have to be so cruel Kusaka? Hood man better watch his butt if he ever runs into Black. I also hope that White will rescue the Gym Leaders.

Oh and, anyone noticed that the Ichiban chapter had at least 26 pages? Normally there're 24 at the most. But... There will be 30 pages in the next Ichiban according to Kusaka! And I'm sure about this, because people's responses seem to prove this. So we get six extra pages! That's pretty incredible.

There will also be more info about "Pokémon the Comic" with the next site update. Can't wait for tomorrow!

Awesome, I can't wait for tomorrow either! I am so curious about the update and please let White appear in the next issue. I hardly see her battle, she needs to show her improved skills to the fans!

 

[Red_the_knight]

Originally posted by lolipiece
Uh, don't Ichiban chapters usually have 25 pages? That's including the chapter covers, so it's only five pages, right?

Gasp. 30? What could it possibly be? At least it will make up for the lack of a Pokemon Fan in May. Sort of. Is this going to be a one-time thing...or is it permanent?

Please be a White chapter. She needs the focus, especially when she only got three to herself when she split off from Black.

If not, at least have her be in it. Then next month's Fan can hopefully focus on her.

I can't to see what will happens tomorrow and then get the images we need. But still, 30? They really make the books longer.
But if they skip the White chapter, then I am going to throw a tantrum on my game.

 

[Platinum fan.]

I'm all for a White chapter. Hope she does something great. Saving the Gym Leaders would be great, poor Skyla needs to be free from her cage, or wherever Team Plasma's holding her and the other Gym Leaders. They must be freed. Hopefully White will destroy someone in Team Plasma in a battle. Then by the end of BW's chapters she can roast Bubu-Chan/Gigi. Yes I still hold a grudge against that traitorous porker. Hope White gets her time to shine.

Just curious but do Team Plasma have control of Genesect in Adventures? I saw the Shadow guys watching it or something. How wicked would it be if Genesect was guarding the Gym Leaders and White had to find a way to subdue it long enough to save the Gym Leaders? Just a crazy thought.

 

[diakyu]

Meh, I think they're saving Genesect for BW2. No need to have genesect running around when we already have Zekrom and Reshiram fighting.

 

[lolipiece]

Netkun updated!

I have no idea what it says, but from what I can gather, Pokemon the Comic will be out on June 7th?

In other news, it added Tep, Gigi, Oshawott, and Snivy to the Dex. Oshawott and Snivy are confirmed male. Yay.

 

[ReiZerou]

And Vol 45 is probably June 28th. Just guessing, didn't look too much into it yet.

There's also something about XY.

Bianca's Oshawott and Cheren's Snivy are male? Man, I want that Samurott to be female then! That would be awesome.

I'm so relieved we've finally got the date for "Pokémon the Comic".

 

[e9310103838]

I see they say next Fan will serial the end of BW. This will be in 6/1.

Then 7/1 also have a Fan. ;424;