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June Plot Discussion

Discussion in 'Pokémon Manga Discussion' started by e9310103838, Apr 16, 2020.

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  1. e9310103838

    e9310103838 Well-Known Member

    B2W2's final update.

    The Purrloin plot is different with the game.

    Colress has thawed out from the frozen state. I guess this may be a foreshadowing (implied Lusamine?)


    Just a small correction. Colress is still frozen. They won't unfreeze him until he is in the detention room after.
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2020
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  2. Maxim

    Maxim Beyond repair

    So, our long-awaited eight pages are here finally... We can go home now.

    The arc that frustrated the hell out of us has come to a close. We braced ourselves, we cried, we waited so long for every chapter... and the result was usually unrewarding. And this ending is just like the rest of this arc - it is just there. This should've been a PWT arc, akin to Emerald Arc, instead of that random detective story they actually went for (Kusaka was never good at such things). It would still be screwed by all those hiati but at least it could be more tolerable and more up to our expectations (the artbook poster and the new Kanto Gym Leaders art promised us a PWT and we got nothing, just an aerial view of its unfinished building). But I guess it doesn't matter now.

    I'm so glad that this dumpster fire is finally over... or is it? The final ending will be when Vols 54 & 55 release and they have been already postponed like twice... and the global disease thingy is still raging (don't see how it's a problem here but now everyone uses the virus as a convenient excuse for everything), so nothing is definite. But anyway, now we can only cross fingers in hope that the two volumes indeed release on May 28 and afterwards the XY volumes come quickly and regularly one after another. This manga cannot afford to waste any more time, it's three generations behind the rest of the franchise!
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  3. Lucky3

    Lucky3 Well-Known Member

    How come every arc ends with a philosophical discussion nowadays?
  4. Moni_22

    Moni_22 Well-Known Member

    I feel like it's missing an epilogue that should come in the volume. Just a few more pages to see everyone's outcomes. But all in all, even if it wasn't perfect, it was a good finale.
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  5. Mr.Munchlax

    Mr.Munchlax Pokeball Rank Trainer

    That's it? No epilogue showing where all of the characters are now? After having this series last for ten years it ends like this?
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  6. G-SANtos

    G-SANtos Well-Known Member

    Crap, I got ninja'd in the thread creation. I was just writing the thread post. But anyway, here are my thoughts. (And yet, I took one hour writing this post after I realized I was no longer first. Oh well)

    The update is just those eight pages.

    As I expected, we don't see the fire being put out. It just skips to after the fact. G-Cis is arrested, and Whi-Two says the Pokémon he stole will never forgive or forget him, even if humans eventually do.
    N seems to accept Zorua back, and I get the impression Hue's sister's Purrloin is the same one he used to fight Black. I also get the impression that some of those Pokémon that show up at the end were N's. I mean, Gurdurr, Tranquill, Palpitoad, Swoobat. All of those are either Pokémon he had, or Evolutions of them. But there's also so many unrelated Pokémon, like Golurk and... A Servine? Cheren's Servine? Hue's Snivy after evolving?

    I'm also surprised Reshiram and Zekrom flew off. Many other characters have already owned Legandaries in PokéSpe, so why not let Black and N keep the first Legendaries that you need to catch in the games? Is Kusaka just against cover Legendaries being permanent members of character teams?

    We also have G-Cis referring to Black as "Dreamer", which is, like, the first time since FRLG that a Dex Holder title is said on page, and the first time that a post-GSC title is mentioned outside supplementary materials. Is this going to be a regular thing from now on? Are the titles going to appear in the story moving forward, instead of just being mentioned in guide books?

    But this update, it feels a bit rushed. It lacks a transition scene for XY referencing Kalos or anything. We also have Lack-Two just... Just being there in the final panel. We have no idea if Lack-Two and Whi-Two return to have classes on the Trainers' School. And also, we still need Cheren and Homika to become Gym Leaders.

    I have to say, I smell a volume expansion. When was the last time we actually got the complete ending in the serialization? Really. At least since Platinum every non-volume ending is incomplete.
    There are probably a few volume-only pages in this chapter. Probably not a ton, but at least one scene after Lack-Two walks with his Pokémon.

    If my theory about Cheren, Bel, and Hue getting Pokédexes is correct, I feel like Kusaka wants non-game name Dex Holders to be a volume-only surprise.

    I think Kusaka was initially confident he would be able to get another magazine to serialize B2W2 and XY at the same time. I'm pretty sure he didn't expect multiple Generations to pass before being able to finish it. The fact multiple early chapters were excursions makes me feel that was the "travel reason" for this arc, and that is what they would use to showcase all the new locations and features.

    And honestly, due to the B2W2 games being a whole new story, instead of third game or remake, I feel like Kusaka originally wanted the B2W2 arc to have the same size as an usual "first game" arc, and the PWT was going to be sort of a midstory stuff. This probably explains why he didn't put much effort into showcasing unused moves and Pokémon, or giving a team to Whi-Two.
    Only after ORAS, or maybe after learned SM was coming, he realized he would not be able to have a first game sized arc, and had to change pace fast, but the damage was already done. That is probably why the PWT became just a cameo.

    By contrast, B2W2's existence was probably why XY already hit the ground running: Kusaka was probably bracing for the possibility of X2Y2 instead of Z, and didn't want to take his sweet time with Legendaries like he did in BW and Sinnoh, even though Kalos only had three new non-Mythicals.

    But relax, I'm sure we'll get the Pokémon World Tournament when we get BW remakes, or maybe B2W2 remakes. Unless SwSh does it first with DLC, in which case PokéSpe will do PWT in Galar instead and have a short reference to the Unova one that happened "a few years ago".
  7. Beat!

    Beat! The Chords of Steel

    For long time readers it should be no surprise that exclusive material will be added when the volume come out.
    Rest assured, there will be an epilogue.
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  8. G-SANtos

    G-SANtos Well-Known Member

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  9. e9310103838

    e9310103838 Well-Known Member

    As far as I know, this mode has existed since GSC at least.
  10. lolipiece

    lolipiece All smiles Staff Member Moderator

    The final page says there will be new material in the volume.

    Do wonder if this delay could potentially improve it.
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  11. Lucky3

    Lucky3 Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't rule out this delay happened precisely to finish it properly 'cause they couldn't with the previous date. Yamamoto said on twitter a while back that these 8 pages were originally supposed to be part of last month's update.
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  12. lolipiece

    lolipiece All smiles Staff Member Moderator

    Kusaka has always made it a point to keep Legendaries on a Dex holder's team nerfed in some way to prevent them from being overpowered.

    Regigigas refuses to leave its Poke Ball unless Sinnoh is in a major crisis and Xerneas is currently a tree again. But there's nothing stopping them from coming back, obviously.

    Also, if we want to argue semantics, Black never officially owned Reshiram. It was never put in a Poke Ball and it never received a nickname despite him being a nicknamer.

    Also, speaking of Legendaries, Victini is with Black's team. It's sitting on Brav, so it probably doesn't mean much.

    But what's curious is the lack of Genesect. I know it was injured, but so was Escavalier.

    They referred to Roxie as a Gym Leader in chapter 534, or was that removed in the volume version?

    Also, arc transitions don't always have to be at the end of an arc. The FRLG-Emerald transition happened in Emerald's first chapter.

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  13. Moni_22

    Moni_22 Well-Known Member

    One thing I noticed, is Keldeo still in its first form? It hasn't reached the second one right?
  14. lolipiece

    lolipiece All smiles Staff Member Moderator

    It did. Not sure why it reverted back.
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  15. Moni_22

    Moni_22 Well-Known Member

    Oh so it reverted back. That's why I thought it was weird because I remembered it being in the second form but when reading this chapter I noticed it was in its first form again. Thanks for the clarification.
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  16. mehmeh1

    mehmeh1 Welcome to capitalism, Neku

    Didn't XY/SM also get complete endings?
  17. lolipiece

    lolipiece All smiles Staff Member Moderator

    We can't say for sure until the volumes come out.
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  18. Beat!

    Beat! The Chords of Steel

    Keldeo only attains that form when it learns Secret Sword. I don't think it ever used it unless it went unnamed when it attacked Colress.

    Besides the epilogue i think they might add a transition scene between the starters attacking with the Pledge moves and today's first page. The transition seemed very abrupt. Besides we didn't really see when Zorua joined N, right?
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  19. DuquÊ?

    DuquÊ? Too lazy to pick a pic

    Nowadays? Freaking Yellow arc ended with some sort of ecological reminder after the Kanto Elite 4 posed as a bunch of eco-extremists.

    Pretty much every arc after that had some sort of insight. Despite the fact I can't remember exactly what was SM's moral discussion, though.

    Anyway, happy this finally ended. Lack 2 being some sort of black sheep of the dex holders in general is for better, I think, really an usual guy, even if compared to guys like Dia or X.

    I'm...not very satisfacted with Ghetsis' ending. He didn't suffer enough. I do suppose a mental collapse after see every mon ever that TP stole will have his skull if he ever appears again is fitting, anyway.
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  20. Redstar45

    Redstar45 The Anime/Special's canon know it all.

    I doubt that would be happened as dlc but Kusaka could definitely copy and paste the Pokemon anime pwt as he so desires for it
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