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Kalos League - One Year Later

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by Soniman, Aug 18, 2017.

  1. Soniman

    Soniman Break the Limit

    Yes, today is the anniversary of when Ash lost the Kalos League, you know the story, it's one of the most (if not THE MOST) infamous moments in the anime's history and the whole world was watching when it happened. Ash got to the finals for the first (and probably only) time ever and he was set up to win for a variety of reasons but for some reason or another he lost, the whole fandom was sent into a rage and yadda yadda.

    I wanna know how you guys felt when you saw it happen how do you still feel about it now, are you still bitter? Dont care??? Thought it was just funny? Which is it?

    For me it really made me furious and disappointed in the anime staff in how they write Ash's character and it made me more cynical and disconnected from the anime as a result.
  2. LilyTwo

    LilyTwo Well-Known Member

    I was never bitter about Ash losing to Alain. I mean, I was a little disappointed, that much I will say, but considering that Alain had been firmly estabilished as an exceptional trainer who had mastered Mega Evolution and could go toe-to-toe with an Elite Four, I think that losing to him was acceptable. Certainly, a lot more acceptable than losing to a complete pushover (Cameron), or to a plot device that just happened to be able to walk and talk (Tobias).

    Plus, considering what happened later, becoming the champion sure didn't turn out to be that great for Alain... Indeed, you could say that while Alain won their battle, Ash showed himself to be the better person.
  3. Darthlord7

    Darthlord7 Explorer

    I didn't care since I knew it was coming. But I have to admit that the reactions coming from the salty fans were just priceless and unforgettable. :D
  4. UltimateNinja

    UltimateNinja ~Ice Cold~

    Okay league. Would've called it a good league if there were two more episodes where we see two or three battles Ash was in.

    Yeah it looked like he could've won the league, but like previous leagues, him losing was still the most likely case. Well at least Ash didn't lost against a legendary master coming out of nowhere or losing to an rookie like Cameron.
  5. PokemonKnight

    PokemonKnight #1 Sylveon Fan

    Ash's lack of disappointment in his narrow defeat annoyed me more than anything.
  6. Soniman

    Soniman Break the Limit

    Honestly I think that's what made me the most angry about it, not a single scene dedicated to Ash showing any sings of sadness or anything, as if he didnt care, what a load
  7. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

    I still find it hilarious to this day. It was a perfect example as to why you should keep your hopes and expectations low and not overhype
  8. Spyro39

    Spyro39 Well-Known Member

    Alain had no interest in winning the Kalos League. Yet all of a sudden he gathers 8 badges just 7 episodes after Ash told him about the League? Shoehorning him into the Kalos League two episodes later just to stop Ash from winning was about as much of a plot device and BS as Tobias and Cameron. His emotionless face upon receiving the trophy further shows his lack of interest. Ash losing to him was about as acceptable as Ash losing to Tobias and Cameron.
  9. Satoshi & Touko

    Satoshi & Touko Glimwood Tangle is Literal Dreamland

    I wasn't disappointed at all. And it's all thanks to not being emotionally invested in this 20-year-old commercial that is designed first and foremost to market merchandise.
  10. 345ash-greninja

    345ash-greninja Knucklehead Ninja

    I was really passionate about Ash winning the League, somewhat misguided by the trolling title and the hype-bait Orange Shuriken. I thought that for the first time in 19 years, he would make it. I broke my iPhone in rage at the loosing moment and couldn't sleep the entire night.

    It took months for me to get rid of the salt, it has passed on now. Well, Ash had his best ranking in a League and came as close as ever, but this loss will, at least to some extent, haunt me forever, because I felt betrayed by the writers.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2017
  11. Akkipeddi

    Akkipeddi The Great Seal

    Honestly, at the moment Ash Greninja slowly started to collapse, my heart and mind went blank and numb. I wasn't even angry or anything, just dazed and shocked at what happened. Well I guess since this happened during my treatment session, i wasn't exactly in a position to overreact and get super mad either, though knowing myself, I doubt I would have been super mad even if I wasn't in my treatment.

    As for the aftermath, well yeah it was a big blow since it basically confirmed once again that the writers would never let Ash achieve his goal anytime soon and that he'd by stuck in his journey. I wasn't so much upset by the battle itself, but rather at the implication of the result and what it really meant for the anime.
  12. PokemonKnight

    PokemonKnight #1 Sylveon Fan

    Yeah, it was unrealistic. I don't need Ash to whine for days like he did after the Indigo Fiasco but, at least, show some measure of human emotion! Even professional athletes, who are being paid for their services, show more emotion after heartbreaking defeats. Heck, some are reduced to blubbering messes because their dreams matter to them. Ash's reaction was more suitable for a roadside match.
  13. Power Up

    Power Up ...

    BS, will always be BS. I gave up on Ash ever winning the second Ash lost. The amount of salt was overloaded to the max
  14. Akkipeddi

    Akkipeddi The Great Seal

    Yeah his reaction was disappointing, but honestly it's either he was happy enough to finish runner up compared to his lowly top 8 finish in Unova, or he was so shocked and numb by all his losses that he couldn't even express himself anymore.

    I'm not trying to justify his reaction, but the second reason is something that is realistic since I'm speaking from personal experience. I've had a chronic medical condition for years now, and has been especially extremely rough in the last five years. It got so irritating and bad to the point that whenever the doctor would tell me something bad again, I really couldn't care less anymore since it had reached that point where I can't even react anymore.
  15. Red and Blue

    Red and Blue Well-Known Member

    Look at it this way. If Ash won, it could have felt downplayed since the Kalos League was second fiddle to the Flare climax
  16. PokemonKnight

    PokemonKnight #1 Sylveon Fan

    You are in my prayers.

    The second reason makes sense. Then again, didn't he sort of smile? The kind of smile that was like, "Gee, what a fun match!" I can't recall exactly. Either way, I wanted some sort of reaction. Maybe, a clenched fist.
  17. Spyro39

    Spyro39 Well-Known Member

    Don't think the fans would've cared if the Kalos League was second fiddle or even third fiddle to the climatic ending of the XYZ arc. Just as long as Ash won, they would've been happy.

    The majority of the fandom was so shocked at angry at the defeat, that they weren't even excited for the Team Flare arc. TV Tokyo's YouTube upload of the teaser for the next episode got downvoted so aggressively, the dislike-to-like ratio was insane before TV Tokyo privated the video. Last time I remember, that video had 60K dislikes compared to a measly 1K likes.
  18. Akkipeddi

    Akkipeddi The Great Seal

    Appreciate it.

    Well in the change room (or whatever the room was) where Ash and Alain went to before the trophy presentation ceremony, I know Ash did express slight disappointment by apologising that he felt that he let everyone down who were supporting him. It's not much I know, but still something.
  19. Frozocrone

    Frozocrone Miraculous!

    I thought 'well that sucks but eh' and laughed at the chat imploding in on itself.

    Especially with people speculating that Ash would beat Alain during the Team Flare arc except it wouldn't matter because he had no league trophy (ie the only time it matters).

    Now I'm just enjoy the endless memes it produced. Alain-stu. DORAGON CURAW. BURAASTO BURN. Ash will never win. Too good not to enjoy.
  20. PokemonKnight

    PokemonKnight #1 Sylveon Fan

    No problem, my friend.

    Yeah, I forgot about that. He, (more like the writers) also left that trainer who challenged Ash to a fight down. Good plotline wasted.

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