I’m fine with everything else and I don’t mind you considering Kanto the worse League, but I’ve got to put my foot down when it comes to this point.
And I don't mind you disagreeing with me here, but know for a fact that I'd make my personal business to thoroughly debunk any viewpoint which challenges my view of Kanto League being the worst League by far.
— First off yup Charizard not listening to Ash would formally be called an “anticlimax”. Does that make it badly wirtten? No! Matter of fact it was properly foreshadowed and made complete sense when it happened.
Sure, it made complete sense, totally, even though Ash knew that Charizard was disobedient and won't listen to him, and still made the choice to bring it down. Totally it made sense to bring out Charizard that time, a disobedient Pokemon, without thinking about the most likely possible consequences. Even though he had Bulbasaur (despite being ambushed by the Trio prior to the match) in his arsenal who got 2 KO's in the previous match.
And before you want to argue that Bulbasaur had a clear disadvantage vs Charmander, need I remind you that Bulbasaur defeated 2 Pokemon in the previous match despite having type disadvantages against both of them (especially a double disadvantage against Scyther, who was a Bug/Flying type)? Anyday it was preferable over a disobedient Pokemon who was pretty much confirmed not to listen to him.
— Why is Ash getting severely humiliated necessarily a bad thing? Ash in Kanto was an objectively bad trainer who only earned 3 of his badges legitimately and out of those 3 2 of them were thanks to Charizard! It’s his fault for not bothering to take care of Charizard’s disobedience during the 2 months of training despite knowing that Zard won him the majority of his legitimately earned badges. In truth loosing the way he did was perfect commupence given the carefree attitude he approached his league preparation with, and frankly it’s a miracle that he even got as far as he did given his lack of preparation.
Actually why the pity badges would happen in the first place? Why portray him that much laughably incompetent like that, so much that he can't earn badges legitimately? Why portray him that bad? That's my very problem with OS in the place.
Because he was a newbie just starting around his journey? Yeah, no I'm not buying it. Just because he was a newbie who just started his journey doesn't necessarily mean that he has to be portrayed that laughably. I mean, as he is a newbie, portray his shortcomings that newbie is supposed to have, but have him overcome it via struggle and hard work. But don't just hand over things to him on a silver platter like the pity badges. Because then things don't feel earned but more like a cheap cop-out. Make him lose to Gym Leaders, maybe even twice, and then have him win in rematches. Why not make him try to sort out Charizard's disobedient issues and struggle a lot doing it before the League instead of leaving it the way it is? So nope the pity badges they made Ash earn in Kanto wasn't justified whatsoever.
So you trying to justify Ash's horrible and humiliating loss at the Kanto League, because of his pity badges in Kanto and how bad a trainer he was at Kanto is bad reasoning in the first place, especially when those pity badges and and portraying him as such a bad trainer was such a garbage thing in the first place. So that doesn't justify at all the horrible way Ash lost the League (due to his Pokemon not listening to him, which is something which belongs to the basics of Pokemon training and not expected of a trainer competing in such a high level tournament like a Pokemon league).
Also if we are going by
your logic, one can also justify Ash's Unova League loss by that way. Like Ash was regressed from the very start of BW, his Pikachu lost to a beginner's Snivy in the very first episode, he lost to a beginner trainer's Trip multiple times, he struggled to win 6 vs 3 battle against Roxie, so him losing Cameron that way I guess was also "understandable".
But that logic is fallacious because: making Ash regress in BW that way was garbage in the first place. Just like how making Ash earn pity badges handed to him on a silver platter abd portraying Ash as such a bad trainer was really poor and garbage in the first place. Even if it was the beginning of his journey.
— Honestly it seems like you’re more concerned with how “cool” or rather how “not-pathetic” Ash looks rather than Ash’s actual progression.
Does the Kanto league make Ash look comparatively worse that the Unova League? Sure. Is that portrayal consistent with the narrative up until then? Absolutely! Is Ash’s portrayal in the Unova League consistent with the narrative (of the entire anime) till that point? Absolutely not! In conclusion Ash’s portrayal in the Kanto League was objectively better written than Ash’s portrayal in the Unova League based on everything that had come before in both cases.
Nope, it's more like I waa considering all aspects together and then judging. Loosing because your Pokemon refuses to listen to you and takes a nap is likely the worst possible way to lose, because having your Pokemon listen to you during a battle and being able to appropriately command him is something which falls in the basics of Pokemon training and battling, it's something which is at the very least expected of a trainer who competes in a high level tournament like a Pokemon League. Loosing a 5 vs 6 battle due to not being competent enough as a battler is obviously very bad and horrible, but at least he battled properly and legitimately and then lost, his Pokemon gave it their all, he didn't lose due to not being to do basic aspects like having his Pokemon listen to himself and command it appropriately. So in terms of making Ash look worse, Kanto League clearly takes the cake.
In terms of progression, oh well, obviously the Unova was worse, because that straight up from a narrative perspective contradicted Ash's progression by making him regress in League rankings, which was hard to digest, while the Kanto League didn't do that because that was Ash's very first League ever. But even here, one could make an arguement that Ash's laughably incompetent portrayal in OS was really too much despite him being a rookie, cuz he was handed many things on a silver platter like the pity badges instead of being made to struggle hard/loose multipke times in order legitimately earn them (which would be arguably a better portrayal) and then lose the League because of his Pokemon disobeying him, not listening to himself and refusing to battle. Bringing in the arguement that Ash's start of his journey in his home region, was not something done right for a beginner/rookie who is the protagonist. So narratively that doesn't make too much sense either.
And lastly, not considering Ash and judging from a neutral point of view, the Unova League had better quality battles, clearly better animation too, and thus from a neutral POV at least comparatively more enjoyable to watch as well. The Kanto League hardly had a battle which can be enjoyed from even a neutral POV, as all the battles were mainly gag-based jokes, or consisting of ridiculous stuff like Pokemon being declares being unable to battle because they fell asleep, they loose a match due to running away being frightened and recalled by its trainer like it happened in the worst battle in the history of the Pokemon anime which hardly consisted of a proper KO.
So yep, overall considering all aspects, I do find more reasons to call the Kanto League clearly worser than the Unova League.
Oh and fyi you were being repetitive and verbose in your assessment.
Well, you found it that way, but oh well...know that you were also making faulty analogies in your arguments like using Ash's pity badges and being clearly a bad trainer in OS to justify his Kanto League loss better when those pity badges and being portrayed so laughably as a trainer were garbage and not justifiable in the first place.
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