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Keldeo

^ But it's outclassed by so many Pokemon, even in the rain. Not that it won't be seen every once in a while in Ubers, but it lacks the movepool and survivability that many (if not, all) Ubers have.

Like I said earlier, UU/BL at worst, OU at best. 'Nuff said.

Ubers isn't about how good a pokemon is there it's a ban list not an actual defined tier of pokemon like OU is. Shaymin-S doesn't have survivability but guess what it's uber. What really outclasses it in the rain? Not many pokemon have its coverage and speed but together combined with raw power. 'Nuff said.
 

Asbestospoison

Excellent Driver
^ But it's outclassed by so many Pokemon, even in the rain. Not that it won't be seen every once in a while in Ubers, but it lacks the movepool and survivability that many (if not, all) Ubers have.

Like I said earlier, UU/BL at worst, OU at best. 'Nuff said.
129 Base SpA + 108 speed + Water STAB + Rain + Secret Sword
Outclassed? By what(not challenging you here, I honestly want to know what you're thinkin of)? Keldeo will make it to OU, easy. Still hates Jelly though.
 

overlordmewtwo

Supreme Overlord
assassinsceptile said:
Ubers isn't about how good a pokemon is there it's a ban list not an actual defined tier of pokemon like OU is. Shaymin-S doesn't have survivability but guess what it's uber. What really outclasses it in the rain? Not many pokemon have its coverage and speed but together combined with raw power. 'Nuff said.

Agreed. Not many Pokemon have its speed, but there are many Pokemon with much better movepools. Kyogre sets up rain, has massive Special stats, and a gigantic movepool (physical and special) to back it up.

Keldeo, on the other hand, while it has a special movepool, lacks the versatility that Kyogre offers. Most of its movepool lies in the physical stat, which isn't good because, while it can set up, it is largely outclassed by Terrakion as a Justified user.

Like myself and many others have said, it will make OU at best.
 
Agreed. Not many Pokemon have its speed, but there are many Pokemon with much better movepools. Kyogre sets up rain, has massive Special stats, and a gigantic movepool (physical and special) to back it up.

Keldeo, on the other hand, while it has a special movepool, lacks the versatility that Kyogre offers. Most of its movepool lies in the physical stat, which isn't good because, while it can set up, it is largely outclassed by Terrakion as a Justified user.

Like myself and many others have said, it will make OU at best.

I gave my points on it being OU, not about it being uber.
 

overlordmewtwo

Supreme Overlord
^ My mistake. I start doing things like this when I get tired.

Anyway, Keldeo does appear to be a cool Pokemon, and maybe it'll be UU at worst (not that I'm expecting that anyway).
 

zerofield

i miss miror
HP Ghost is the best option because it hits everything grass does+celebi and lati@s. I'm pretty sure gastrodon just gets murdered by secret sword.
 

floatzel98

→ s o a r i n g
This is like the only water pokemon that doesn't get ice beam. It would be nice if it also got something like Nasty Plot so at least it could be a good opposite of Terrakion. Not even agility or something, it then would be able to try a double dance set. It wouldn't work as well though since it's STABs aren't all that good.
 
This is like the only water pokemon that doesn't get ice beam. It would be nice if it also got something like Nasty Plot so at least it could be a good opposite of Terrakion. Not even agility or something, it then would be able to try a double dance set. It wouldn't work as well though since it's STABs aren't all that good.

......What
 

Eaglehawk

Banned
Yeah. Keldeo is pretty broken.

If you run the calcs, +1 Keldeo can pretty much OHKO - 2HKO the entire tier with rain. Other auto-weathers can't switch in because they're murdered by secret sword. BP from Scizor does jackshit to Keldeo while he KOs with Hydro Pump. The only checks I can come up with are fast things, Scarfers (Rotom), and Dragonite.
 

Zachmac

Well-Known Member
Not that physical attack isn't viable, but it could be better.
It isn't viable. 72 base attack is just pathetic for a sweeper. Let's take a looks at boosting sweepers. Lucario is 110. Infernape is 104. Dragonite is 123.
^ But it's outclassed by so many Pokemon, even in the rain.
Outclassed? By what?
If you run the calcs, +1 Keldeo can pretty much OHKO - 2HKO the entire tier with rain. Other auto-weathers can't switch in because they're murdered by secret sword. BP from Scizor does jackshit to Keldeo while he KOs with Hydro Pump. The only checks I can come up with are fast things, Scarfers (Rotom), and Dragonite.
Nah, not really broken. Well, we won't know until we try, but I don't think it will be. Mence, D-night, Latios, Latias, Celebi, Jellicent, and as you said, scarfers.

At least it's not as broken as Terrakion, who is still OU....
It wouldn't work as well though since it's STABs aren't all that good.
My reaction:
......What
Water is a pretty good STAB, which is also boosted by rain. Besides, why would Gyarados be OU in both fourth and fight gen? STAB bounce? Fighting...fighting STAB is amazing. Terrakion, Lucario, Infernape, Conkeldurr, Scrafty, ect. All of those are OU for a reason.
 

zerofield

i miss miror
At least it's not as broken as Terrakion, who is still OU....My reaction:Water is a pretty good STAB, which is also boosted by rain. Besides, why would Gyarados be OU in both fourth and fight gen? STAB bounce? Fighting...fighting STAB is amazing. Terrakion, Lucario, Infernape, Conkeldurr, Scrafty, ect. All of those are OU for a reason.

it's far more broken than terrakion due to not being weak to every priority ever and having secret sword bypass the only thing that really stops special sweepers, blissey. It's weak to scarftom but after a CM it doesn't care. what's that, celebi? Lati@s? cm+ HP Ghost. this thing is a lot scarier than terrakion ever was.

all i can think of to reliably stop keldeo is dragonite, and coming in on rocks and a rain-boosted CM'd STAB hydro pump, dnite wont live too long.
 

zerofield

i miss miror
Keldeo uses one of his moves
Sturdy activates
Brave bird
Keldeo takes damage!

Any good team that wants to sweep with keldeo will have stealth rocks up. Regardless, skarmory can't switch in on anything as it's easily killed with a follow-up hydro pump

/Topic
 

Barbeller

Scatter Brained
Any good team that wants to sweep with keldeo will have stealth rocks up. Regardless, skarmory can't switch in on anything as it's easily killed with a follow-up hydro pump

/Topic

Actually, they could have an RSer, but that would basically mean the team was overspecialised and wouldn't do much except against Keldeo.
 
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