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Latios (Uber Edition)

Discussion in 'Older Gens' started by TrollFreak, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. TrollFreak

    TrollFreak Pit is Awesome :P

    80 HP / 90 Atk / 80 Def / 130 SpA / 110 SpD / 110 Spe
    (potentially useful moves are bolded)
    Start Psywave
    5 Heal Block
    10 Helping Hand
    15 Safeguard
    20 DragonBreath
    25 Protect
    30 Refresh
    35 Luster Purge
    40 Zen Headbutt
    45 Recover
    50 Psycho Shift
    55 Dragon Dance
    60 Psychic
    65 Heal Pulse
    70 Telekinesis
    75 Power Split
    80 Dragon Pulse
    85 Memento

    TM01- Hone Claws
    TM02- Dragon Claw
    TM03- Psyshock
    TM04- Calm Mind
    TM05- Roar
    TM06- Toxic
    TM10- Hidden Power
    TM11- Sunny Day
    TM13- Ice Beam
    TM15- Hyper Beam
    TM16- Light Screen
    TM17- Protect
    TM18- Rain Dance
    TM19- Telekinesis
    TM20- Safeguard
    TM21- Frustration
    TM22- SolarBeam
    TM24- Thunderbolt
    TM25- Thunder
    TM26- Earthquake
    TM27- Return
    TM29- Psychic
    TM30- Shadow Ball
    TM32- Double Team
    TM33- Reflect
    TM37- Sandstorm
    TM40- Aerial Ace
    TM42- Facade
    TM44- Rest
    TM45- Attract
    TM48- Round
    TM53- Energy Ball
    TM57- Charge Beam
    TM65- Shadow Claw
    TM67- Retaliate
    TM68- Giga Impact
    TM70- Flash
    TM73- Thunder Wave
    TM77- Psych Up
    TM78- Bulldoze
    TM85- Dream Eater
    TM86- Grass Knot
    TM87- Swagger
    TM90- Substitute
    HM1- Cut
    HM2- Fly
    HM3- Surf
    HM5- Waterfall
    HM6- Dive

    Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Helping Hand, Icy Wind, Last Resort, Magic Coat, Outrage, Roost, Sleep Talk, Snore, Tailwind, Trick, Wonder Room, Zen Headbutt

    Guess who got their favorite item back! Thanks to BW2, Latios gets back Soul Dew and with it, it again becomes a Pokemon that can threaten the entire metagame. It even gains Psyshock, meaning that it can get through Pokemon such as Blissey and Chansey. Soul Dew, 130 Special Attack and 110 Special Defense(which only get better due to Soul Dew) and blistering 110 Speed, Latios, along with Latias, will leave a mark in the Ubers Metagame.

    Despite his great power, Latios is not perfect. His typing afflicts him with weaknesses to common Uber attacking types such as Ghost, Dark, Dragon, and Ice-type attacks. That Dark-type weakness makes him vulnerable to Pursuit, meaning that he is easily removed by trappers such as Tyranitar. Furthermore, he has to compete with Latias often for a team slot, as his sister is usually easier to fit in a team thanks to her superior bulk.

    So what sets can this dragon possibly run? Will it put Arceus-Psychic and Dragon's Calm Mind sets out of business? What impact will it have on the metagame? What roles does it fill best? What outclasses it? Are sets from gen 4 still as effective as they used to be? Will this thing suffer from 4MSS? Discuss anything you want but remember to always enjoy the discussion! (so long as they're in the Uber rules)

    Sets- Well, thats why we have discussion huh?
  2. Ghosts of the Forums

    Ghosts of the Forums Who Ya Gonna Call?

    max hit points and speed soul dew
    -dragon pulse
    -hp fighting/hp fire/hp ground
  3. MatchMaster

    MatchMaster Member

    Special Attacker
    Item: Soul Dew
    Nature: Timid
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Thunder
    - Surf

    This is probably the set that will be used in Ubers most of the time. With Soul Dew, Latios essentially gets a Calm Mind boost automatically, meaning Kyogre is no longer safe against Latios, as it is 2HKO'd by Thunder or Grass Knot (both have the same power against Kyogre), while Kyogre must have Choice Specs to OHKO.
  4. Eaglehawk

    Eaglehawk Banned

    I would say that Ice Beam is much more relevant in Ubers due to the fact that the dragon and flying infested tier all hate Ice Beam.

    To be honest, Latios with Soul Dew is a really great thing to have back. The fact that you outspeed a good portion of Ubers as well as a movepool that can deal neutral damage to every Pokemon in the metagame is really good. Furthermore, the jacked Special Defense will definitely allow it leverage against faster things such as Mewtwo, Deoxys, and Darkrai, all of which are killed by Draco Meteor. For example.

    vs. Mewtwo
    252SpAtk Life Orb Unnerve Mewtwo (+SAtk) Ice Beam vs 4HP/0SpDef Soul Dew Levitate Latios (Neutral): 67% - 80% (204 - 244 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252SpAtk Soul Dew Latios (Neutral) Draco Meteor vs 4HP/0SpDef Soul Dew Mewtwo (Neutral): 105% - 124% (373 - 441 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.

    vs. Darkrai
    252SpAtk Life Orb Darkrai (Neutral) Dark Pulse vs 4HP/0SpDef Soul Dew Levitate Latios (Neutral): 71% - 84% (216 - 254 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252SpAtk Soul Dew Latios (Neutral) Draco Meteor vs 4HP/0SpDef Soul Dew Darkrai (Neutral): 132% - 156% (373 - 441 HP). Guaranteed OHKO

    vs. Deoxys-S
    252SpAtk Life Orb Unnerve Mewtwo (+SAtk) Ice Beam vs 4HP/0SpDef Soul Dew Levitate Latios (Neutral): 67% - 80% (204 - 244 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252SpAtk Soul Dew Latios (Neutral) Draco Meteor vs 4HP/0SpDef Soul Dew Deoxys (Neutral): 438% - 516% (1062 - 1251 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. (lol)

    vs. ScarfKyogre
    252SpAtk Kyogre (Neutral) Water Spout in Rain vs 4HP/0SpDef Soul Dew Levitate Latios (Neutral): 41% - 49% (126 - 148 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.
    252SpAtk Soul Dew Latios (Neutral) Draco Meteor vs 4HP/0SpDef Soul Dew Kyogre (Neutral): 74% - 88% (256 - 303 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
    252SpAtk Soul Dew Latios (Neutral) Thunder vs 4HP/0SpDef Kyogre (Neutral): 85% - 101% (294 - 346 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 7% chance to OHKO.

    Maybe I'm overhyping him a bit, but he's undoubtedly a great addition to the tier as a fast, bulky sweeper who can also break walls.
  5. Ultimate Champion

    Ultimate Champion 瞞天過海

    But all Dragon-type Pokémon are already destroyed by Latios's Dragon-type move anyway, and Thunder already hits Lugia and Ho-Oh.

    Anyway, this is my favorite moveset for Latios, which I included in a team I used to use::


    Uriel (Latios) (M) @ Soul Dew
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Draco Meteor
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Psyshock
    - Thunder

    To me, Hidden Power [Fire] should always be used on Latios, regardless of whether this Pokémon is in a rain or Sun team, since it is Latios's best option against Ferrothorn even in the rain (Hidden Power [Fighting] does the same amount of damage to Ferrothorn in that weather, but since Hidden Power [Fire] has the potential to do more damage in other weathers, why not use it instead?), as not having this move is basically a free invitation for Ferrothorn to easily come in and set up entry hazards or use Leech Seed or status moves, something which is extremely detrimental from my experience.
  6. MatchMaster

    MatchMaster Member

    I remember Ice Beam being mentioned in a Smogon as not being worth the moveslot, since Dragon Pulse and Draco Meteor already provide the same coverage for about the same damage, and Thunder already hits Ho-Oh and Lugia for more damage.
  7. Zachmac

    Zachmac Crystalline Guardian

    I know that in OU, Latias is usually the better calm mind user. Is this different in Ubers?
  8. Ultimate Champion

    Ultimate Champion 瞞天過海

    No, it isn't.
  9. Klaus™

    Klaus™ Banned

    i really like Pokemon Trainer R's latios set. i was actually going to suggest it myself. its basically latios' choice specs set, but with the ability to switch items.

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