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Legendaries Speculation/Discussion Thread

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Erchamion

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Zygarde's name? People having been throwing things like Zygote and Midgard, but I'm not really sure what the basis could really be. I guess the latter is to do with the Norse-stuff but I don't know if it ever was actually a thing.

Well even if there is not supposed to be any norse connection it fits pretty well into the yggdrasil myth.
Yveltal as Hraesvalg the bird at the top of the tree
Xerneas as Eikþyrnir the stag that lives in it's branches (think the one stag became four stags in later versions though)
Zygarde as Nidhuggr the dragon that gnaws at the roots of the tree (meaning the ground type is really fitting)
So I at least have my nicknames for them XD
 

Oshakpop

Eeveelution Master
Looking into Zygote, I found that blah blah it it is a stage of development that make a diploid cell, which have both parents chromosomes and DNA. I'm probably completely wrong, but maybe Zygarde is the child of Xerneas and Yveltal? Or just that is has both the chromosomes and DNA of Xerneas and Yveltal?

Interesting. Haven't a clue what it's based on tbh.
 

Sarefan

Hylden General.
Looking into Zygote, I found that blah blah it it is a stage of development that make a diploid cell, which have both parents chromosomes and DNA. I'm probably completely wrong, but maybe Zygarde is the child of Xerneas and Yveltal? Or just that is has both the chromosomes and DNA of Xerneas and Yveltal?

Interesting. Haven't a clue what it's based on tbh.
Guess it is pretty clear that they are based of Yggdrasil Tree.
This Pretty much explains it all.
Asgard is guarded by an Eagle. Midgard by Stags and the roots, Niffenheim (or something like that) by a Dragon like Snake.
 

janneil456

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zygorde reminds me of midgardsorm from one of my favorite arcade railroad shooters the ocean hunter. and yes it it also apparently based on a creature in norse mythology
excerpt from a fansite:
Mythological Background

Name: Midgardsorm

Taken from: Norse

This monstrous serpent was one of three children of the trickster god Loki and his giantess wife Angrboda. The king of the gods, Odin, cast it into the ocean, but it was so large it encircled the entire world and took its own tail in its mouth. Midgardsorm is Norse for "Midgard Serpent," Midgard being their word for Earth, and is but a title. Its true name is Jormungand. During Ragnarok, the Twilight of the Gods, it will engage Thor, god of thunder, in an epic battle to the death. Thor will slay it, take nine steps, and then die himself from its poison.
 

Erchamion

Active Member
zygorde reminds me of midgardsorm from one of my favorite arcade railroad shooters the ocean hunter. and yes it it also apparently based on a creature in norse mythology
excerpt from a fansite:
Mythological Background

Name: Midgardsorm

Taken from: Norse

This monstrous serpent was one of three children of the trickster god Loki and his giantess wife Angrboda. The king of the gods, Odin, cast it into the ocean, but it was so large it encircled the entire world and took its own tail in its mouth. Midgardsorm is Norse for "Midgard Serpent," Midgard being their word for Earth, and is but a title. Its true name is Jormungand. During Ragnarok, the Twilight of the Gods, it will engage Thor, god of thunder, in an epic battle to the death. Thor will slay it, take nine steps, and then die himself from its poison.

Personally I think It's more closely related to Nidhuggr the dragon gnawing at the roots of Yggdrasil (hence dragon/ground), a Midgard serpent pokemon would probably have to be dragon/poison (which incidently would have made it good against fairies)
 

msiew10

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good that they have fewer legendary, as I do not use legendary pokemon and this will make people use non-legendary to fight.
 

B. Thunder Tiger

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Just saw the leak regarding Zygarde. I think, by seeing this guy, he actually looks kind of neat. He has both the elements of a serpent and a shell-less slug, making it quite unique in terms of design.

For the rest, its noted he's a Dragon/Ground typing. Going to the myths of Norse Mythology about the World Serpent or even the dragon Nidhoggr that chews at the base of the World Tree Yggdrasil, this typing actually fits him. In other ways however, at the same time, the typing trolls Zygarde in that his types are completely useless to use against either Xerneas or Yveltal.

However, once more, it appears he trolls them back with his ability of Aura Break. The way the ability is described though, I think some people have mis-guessed its actual effect.

Aura Break:
(The effects of 'Aura' abilities are reversed)

Instead of reducing Fairy or Dark type moves, what if Zygarde's ability is about turning Xerneas and Yveltal's abilities against their own, weakening them, like decreasing the power of their respective Fairy and Dark-type moves? I mean, it says "reversed", and not anything like "negates moves" or such. He is the Order Pokémon after all. I could imagine this by having him weaken them greatly but without acutally doing that much damage. Perhaps its so great, that it reduces the powers of Xerneas and Yveltal to downright zero.

This might mean that any fairy or dark-type moves held by Xerneas and Yveltal become 0 BP, meaning that those moves won't do any damage against Zygarde, even if he was weak against Fairy. Of course, this is just a theory of mine. I could be completely wrong. IF this is true, then any Fairy type moves held by Xerneas or any Dark-type moves held by Yveltal become moves equal to the useless Splash move held by Magikarp, whenever its used against Zygarde.

As for moves, while its a Dragon/Ground typing, knowing about the new Dual-Type move system in the game, I wouldn't be too surprised if this guy had a Dual-Type signature move that does supereffective damage on both Fairy and Dark-Type Pokémon, like giving him a move that does both Poison/Electric damage, or Electric/Steel, etc, etc, etc. Since he's the Order Pokémon, this would make a lot of sense as he's keeping the balance. Also, in a way, the Ground typing is ironic: if his ability is truely what I say it is, this snake is effectively "grounding" them (pun intended), and the word "zero" could be a play on him representing the letter Z, if he's the letter Z (which I think he is).

Other than that, the only cons I can find so far, is that he could have been given a longer snake-like body, and that he has low stats, which seems to hint he will get a alternate form like Giratina or Kyurem did and thus be much stronger in the coming future.
 

Trainer Yusuf

VolcaniNO
So, if we were to go with the release patterns...

This year's movie's trailer(techinically 2014) contained Xerneas and Yveltal. Most likely the primary pixie will also take a role in it. The primary pixies we had so far didn't have alternate forms, so I don't expect this generation's one to have alternate forms as well. It will most likely have signature move however.

Second year's movie(techinically 2015) generally contains the third legendary with its alternate form(s). Rayquaza had none, Giratina had one, and Kyurem had two. Similarly, we can expect the next batch of the Kalos games to come out in 2015 if Zygarde doesn't have any initial alternate forms/no forms planned for it(the latter is unlikely though). Similarly, the legendary is often pit against another event Pokémon with alternate forms that were revealed in the next games. Deoxys had its Defense and Attack forme from FR/LG, Shaymin had its Sky Forme from Platinum, and Keldeo had its Resolute Form in B2/W2. Similarly, the secondary pixie takes a role in the second movie and has or gains alternate forms. Shaymin gained one, and Meloetta(who didn't appear in the movie proper, but rather appeared in the short) had its alternate formes programmed from the beginning.

The third year(techinically 2016) contains the remaining legend. Gen III didn't have one, except arguably the cameo appearance of Kyogre, and instead resorted to using the next gen pixie Manaphy. Arceus movie also reused previous legendaries and Heatran as a cameo, and Genesect movie had Genesect meeting with Mewtwo with Mega Mewtwo Y Mega Evolution. With this in the mind, the remaining legendaries might either be pit against each other, there might be a trilogy of sorts like D/P and the mascot trio might appear against the remaining legendary, or some previous generation legendary might be used. The remaining event will more than likely have specific items for it(Arceus and its plates, Genesect and its Drives) and will have a slight form change, but it is unlikely that it will have a true form change.

The last movie will have new Pokémon along with some older legendaries, but the last one might be the third. This can happen probably only if the new event and an old legendary are pit against a third new mon, or an old legendary gets a new form change. Or if there are three event Pokémon.

This is of course assuming Mega Mewtwo X doesn't appear in the first movie instead of the pixie, there are four event Pokémon and other appearances(and therefore the event releases) are delayed by a year(with pixie not appearing in anything).


TL;DR, Zygarde will get another forme in X2/Y2/Z, Pixie 1 won't get any but will likely have a signature move, Pixie 2 will likely get one, one of the event guys will also get one and last guy will have Held item dependent forms that aren't counted as alternate forms.

Edit: Before somebody asks, yes, we can get another case similar to Darkrai, but in that case the primary Pixie Manaphy was already distributed for the first two games through the Ranger games. There wasn't any time the primary pixie wasn't distributed to the first games initially, not even in Gen I and II.
 
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Unredemption

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Aura Break:
(The effects of 'Aura' abilities are reversed)

Instead of reducing Fairy or Dark type moves, what if Zygarde's ability is about turning Xerneas and Yveltal's abilities against their own, weakening them, like decreasing the power of their respective Fairy and Dark-type moves? I mean, it says "reversed", and not anything like "negates moves" or such. He is the Order Pokémon after all. I could imagine this by having him weaken them greatly but without acutally doing that much damage. Perhaps its so great, that it reduces the powers of Xerneas and Yveltal to downright zero.

This might mean that any fairy or dark-type moves held by Xerneas and Yveltal become 0 BP, meaning that those moves won't do any damage against Zygarde, even if he was weak against Fairy. Of course, this is just a theory of mine. I could be completely wrong. IF this is true, then any Fairy type moves held by Xerneas or any Dark-type moves held by Yveltal become moves equal to the useless Splash move held by Magikarp, whenever its used against Zygarde.

I'd hazard a guess that Aura Break reduces Fairy and Dark type moves used by Xerneas and Yveltal by the same percentage which the Auras increase them. For example, if Fairy Aura increased the BP of Xerneas' Fairy type moves by 30% to 130%, I'd expect Aura Break to reduce those moves to 70% of their original BP (i.e. - 30%). Of course, given that Aura Break is so completely situational (and useless outside of countering Xerneas and Yveltal), negating those Fairy and Dark type moves might actually be possible.

Edit: Just read carefully through Dark Aura's description, and I think it's more likely that Aura Break reduces the BP of ALL Fairy type and Dark type moves used by the opponent, provided that there is a Xerneas or Yveltal on the opponent's team.

any pics? been away for 4 days.

Here's one for you:

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B. Thunder Tiger

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I'd hazard a guess that Aura Break reduces Fairy and Dark type moves used by Xerneas and Yveltal by the same percentage which the Auras increase them. For example, if Fairy Aura increased the BP of Xerneas' Fairy type moves by 30% to 130%, I'd expect Aura Break to reduce those moves to 70% of their original BP (i.e. - 30%). Of course, given that Aura Break is so completely situational (and useless outside of countering Xerneas and Yveltal), negating those Fairy and Dark type moves might actually be possible.

Edit: Just read carefully through Dark Aura's description, and I think it's more likely that Aura Break reduces the BP of ALL Fairy type and Dark type moves used by the opponent, provided that there is a Xerneas or Yveltal on the opponent's team.



Here's one for you:

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Thanks. Seeing that ability, it was something that sounded plausible, especially when you count in the whole "dragon/ground" typing being utterly useless against Xerneas and Yveltal. But again, like I said, its just a theory. If it reverses their power by 30%, if I had to choose, I think this might be more accurate than my theory. Otherwise, I'm sure he might have had a ability to negate any type advantages against him, which is more OP in nature. We will just have to see how it works, and how official sources explain its true workings.

By the way, that is interesting to hear that all Fairy and Dark type moves used by any Pokémon alongside Xerneas and Yveltal, also get the auto-nerf from Zygarde. Again, how much the auto-nerfing is, remains to be seen.
 

Unredemption

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So do I.

I'm still a little sad that Yveltal isn't Dark/Poison, or Zygarde isn't Dragon/Poison or Poison/Ground. Both would have been such great Poison-types.

I do want a Poison-type pixie legendary. A small little goblin who goes around poisoning people... pretty neat.
 

bloocookies

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Zygarde seems like a shell to me, I feel like something is hiding inside it, maybe a new form where something pops out from inside of it (true form) I don't know, it just looks like a costume to me, a nice one though.
 

B. Thunder Tiger

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Zygarde seems like a shell to me, I feel like something is hiding inside it, maybe a new form where something pops out from inside of it (true form) I don't know, it just looks like a costume to me, a nice one though.

Oh, that is a good observation. It does appear to be so, but we can't be sure yet of anything. I do agree, I like the snail/snake-like design it has going on.
 

Aura Flare Riolu

Cutest Riolu around!
Mega Mewtwo Y's Base stats!
HP: 106
ATK: 150
DEF: 70
SpATK: 194
SpDEF: 120
Speed: 140

Base Stat Total of 780! OMG!

If I had to guess, Mega Mewtwo X will have the same stats except the Attack and Special Attack switched. And also the Defense and Special Defense.
 

GatedSunOne

Like A Rockefeller
Well, well, well. Looks like I owe our fanbase a ton more credit than I gave 'em back in February, eh? I'm surprised we hit that Yggdrasil theory right on the head.

Zygarde is obviously following in Kyurem's footsteps, because as it stands that thing fares the same, if not worse, than Garchomp competitively. Really the only things that stands out about it is his unorthodox (but compelling) appearance and Ability, which is still pretty specific at best. Ground/Dragon is totally justified typing in this case, since Zygarde's inspiration should be self-explanatory by now.

...Still, GF's logic worries me. This Gen seems to be tailored to dousing the fire Dragons made in almost every Gen before it; yet we have yet another Dragon Psuedo in Goodra and Zygarde is obviously slated to become a powerhouse. I don't really mind it, but it just seems awkward.
 

Hydrohs

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Just taken a look at Zygarde myself, and I really like the look of it. I don't really care so much about it's typing like everyone else, looks like a cool Pokemon to me.
 
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