Legendary Dogs?

[argentina]

The pokemon anime said that Suicune, Raikou and Entei were all normal pokemon changed into these forms, but what pokemon do you think they used to be?

I always though Raikou was similar to Manectric because of thier moves and stats, but now Manectric is a dog, and Raikou looks like a cat so I'm not so sure if they are similar.

Entei is probably Arcanine by how they look and stats a bit but their moves are completly different so this one might be wrong to me

Suicune? I have no idea what this could be on stats, movepool and typing, maybe a D/P pokemon?

 

[◘Ins0mnIac◘]

Jolteon/Vaporeon/Flareon maybe??? It's a long stretch but it's possible.

 

[o_O]

Jolteon/Vaporeon/Flareon maybe??? It's a long stretch but it's possible.

That was my first opinion too

 

[Omega Pirate]

Except the Eeveelutions are based on cats. I'd go with the first post, I have no idea what pokemon turned into Suicine though. Buoysel is a long shot but it is a bit dog-like.

 

[Chris]

I always though Raikou was similar to Manectric because of thier moves and stats, but now Manectric is a dog, and Raikou looks like a cat so I'm not so sure if they are similar.

Here's your first problem. Raikou is a saber-toothed tiger-like Pokemon. Second, Livolt was designed way after Raikou. No similarities. Especially since the Pokemon died in JOUTO.

Suicune? I have no idea what this could be on stats, movepool and typing, maybe a D/P pokemon?

Refer to the second problem in the previous statement.

Except the Eeveelutions are based on cats.

Never heard of a feline that had a tail similar to a fish's fin, or had a huge puffball tail. While they appear to be feline simply because they're quadrupeds, that's really not hard evidence that they're based on cats. Or any existing animal to begin with.

 

[argentina]

I'm not specifically reffering to the creator's thoughts, just to the pokemon that were turned into these on the anime

 

[Chris]

And as I said, it's impossible since they were never thought of at the time to begin with.

 

[argentina]

Well in the anime nothing came before the other, the Hoenn region was already full of civilization and their pokemon already existed when they main characters got there from Johto, and its not known if the original pokemon were all born in the region

 

[jellsprout]

In the games, R/S/E was before G/S/C. Three years to be exact.
And the Anime is a load of crap even without comparing it to the games. I haven't seen any episode beyond Johto, but I have read some summaries.
First, there were only 152 Pokémon in Kanto. In Johto, there apperantly were 99 Pokémon more in Kanto, and everybody knew they existed or even owned them for quite some time. Then in Hoenn, there were 386 Pokémon and again everybody suddenly knew they existed in Kanto. And now with the BF saga, a couple of fourth gen Pokémon appear that appearantly are living there for years.
In conclusion, the Anime doesn't give care anything about what generation Pokémon first appeared in.

But I think that the Legendary Beasts were actually Entei, Suicune and Raikou before revived.
Ho-oh has the power to revive Pokémon, being based of a Phoenix. But I highly doubt that Ho-oh is powerfull enough to change three avarage Pokémon into three of the most powerfull Pokémon ever.
There has been loads of proof that there are multiple Entei, Suicune and Raikou. If they were created from different Pokémon by Ho-oh, it doesn't make any sence.
You also must take legends with a grain of salt. They may be more reliable than the Pokédex, but only by a bit. And has it ever said that they were different Pokémon before they died in the games? Because if that has never been said, they probably were never different Pokémon. Because the games contain the official, real timeline, not the Anime. So I think they were also Entei, Suicune and Raikou before reincarnated.
But if they were different Pokémon, I would guess Flareon, Jolteon and Vaporeon. They have the same types, they have a relation and they have somewhat the same stats.

 

[Chris]

And the Anime is a load of crap even without comparing it to the games. I haven't seen any episode beyond Johto, but I have read some summaries.

Right there you need to stop. You badmouth the anime without even having seen most of it. Reading summaries =/= watching episodes. Your opinion is automatically null.

The reason why you don't see any new Pokemon in current games is because..gee, I dunno..perhaps because they're created and announced AFTER the games are released? Last time I checked none of our games had any patches that advance the games further.

 

[Locke Yggdrasill]

It could be something like the mention to the Corsola based city in G/S/C. But, hey, I don't know.

 

[Alphonse Elric]

The pokemon anime said that Suicune, Raikou and Entei were all normal pokemon changed into these forms, but what pokemon do you think they used to be?

First of all, Legendary Pokémon =/= Normal Pokémon.

Legendaries were created from something, they were descendants of the Origin of All Pokémon, Mew. Yet they are they're own unique being, since they are unobtainable through common means and roam the region rather than stay at a particular spot, and look nothing like normal Pokémon.

I always though Raikou was similar to Manectric because of thier moves and stats, but now Manectric is a dog, and Raikou looks like a cat so I'm not so sure if they are similar.

The only thing they have in common is that they're both Electric Type. Sure, Raikou is a Legendary "Dog", but since it's more cat-like in appearance, you can't say or prove that Raikou is, indeed, related to Manectric. Plus the fact that Manectric came into existence 2 or so years after Raikou. :/

Entei is probably Arcanine by how they look and stats a bit but their moves are completly different so this one might be wrong to me

Again, the only thing they have in common is the Type. Does Entei have stripes all over its bosy? Does Arcanine carry a volcanic rock on its back and roam the fields every minutes? No. And Entei is a LION, Arcanine is a Tiger/Wolf combination. Are they related? No.

Suicune? I have no idea what this could be on stats, movepool and typing, maybe a D/P pokemon?

How the hell can Suicune be related to a later-designed, Fourth Generation Pokémon? The idea is ridiculous, not to mention incredibly pathetic, having a Legendary get related to a Normal Pokémon...

So again, I repeat:

Legendary Pokémon =/= Normal Pokémon.

They're _ just _ not _ related! Plus the fact that NONE of the Pokémon staff, be it Nintendo or the Animators, never intended for any of the Legendary Dogs to be based on, or be related to, a certain other Dog Pokémon of the same type. :/

 

[pikadon92]

But what those three legendary creatures were like before being mutated and revived by Ho-oh? I though entei came from growlithe though.

 

[Astinus]

Oi vey. I'm just going to pop in here and say...

In the episode "For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll", Eusine says:

Three Pokémon were caught in the flames, unable to escape in time. Ho-Oh watched in sadness and disgrace. Drawing from the forces of nature, and its own ancient power, Ho-Oh created new lives for them.

And these new lives would be Suicune, Raikou, and Entei. Whether these lives were created from previous Suicune, Raikou, and Entei lives, or if they were other Pokémon, I'm not saying. I have my own opinion, but I know better than to share it with you all. I just decided to hop in with what the dubbed anime says...

They might be ordinary Pokémon infused with the power of Ho-Oh, or they could be some random as heck Legendary Pokémon that was never mentioned...

 

[danburite]

Raikou = Electabuzz, Entei = Magmar, Suicune = Azumarril

Raikou has the stripes seen on Electabuzz, Entei has Magmar's billowy flame look going on, and Suicune has the same blue with white spots scheme Azumarril has.

Well, that's my theory.

 

[Chris]

Raikou has stripes because it's supposed to be like tiger, Entei has a mane like a lion, and simply because Mariruri has blue with white spots doesn't mean it became Suicune.

That's like saying because Kairos has a horn, it must be related to Heracross. Or how Kabutops has scythes for hands so it must be a distant relative of Strike.

 

[danburite]

Raikou has stripes because it's supposed to be like tiger, Entei has a mane like a lion, and simply because Mariruri has blue with white spots doesn't mean it became Suicune.

That's like saying because Kairos has a horn, it must be related to Heracross. Or how Kabutops has scythes for hands so it must be a distant relative of Strike.

I'm not saying they're related, just that they could be the Pokemon the anime writers decided turned into the Ledgendary Beasts. I mean, come on, The Pokemon Anime isn't known for its originality or creativity.

In their case, the most likely answer is probably the right one.

And also, Kairos? Mariruri? Strike? Englishplz.

 

[Juputoru]

And also, Kairos? Mariruri? Strike? Englishplz.

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpost.php?p=2547966&postcount=2

Bothering to find these things on your own instead of whining that you can't understand the names, plz. If you're too lazy to look at the post I linked to: Kairos=Pinsir, Mariruri=Azumarill(come on, he was comparing it to Suicune in reference to your comparing Azumarill to Suicune. Is it that hard to figure out?), and Strike=Scyther(Gee, I wonder what else might have scythes for hands? >_>).


It'd make sense for the Pokemon Ho-oh revived to be the same types as the Beasts, but who says that any physical, or even stat/movepool, resemblence has to be involved? As for the whole "more than one of each beast" thing...where did that come from? Nothing suggests that each time we saw Suicune it was a different one, there's an obvious difference between the fake Entei of the third movie and the real one we saw later on, and the 3 second appearence of Raikou in "Houndoom's Special Delivery!" doesn't make that Raikou separate from the Legend of Thunder Raikou in any way. Where is this "loads of proof" that jellsprout was talking about?

As such, I do believe that Ho-oh changed ordinary Pokemon into the Beast Trio, but as to the specific Pokemon invovled? One guess is as good as another, really. The only other fire/water/electric trio, the original Eeveeolutions, is the simplest explaination, since it doesn't involve trying to guess about three otherwise unrelated Pokemon. I'll just go with that, since A)although I could think of two for Entei and Raikou, I can't think of any Pokemon for Suicune, and B)It doesn't really matter, so one might as well go with the most obvious answer. Hey, if the anime writers aren't known for their creativity, then the obvious answer probably IS the most likely one.

 

[jellsprout]

Right there you need to stop. You badmouth the anime without even having seen most of it. Reading summaries =/= watching episodes. Your opinion is automatically null.

If you've bothered to read the following part of my post, you would have read that just Kanto, Orange Islands and Johto is enough for me to base an oppinion on this subject. I have seen some occations where someone had seen or even owned a second gen Pokémon. I remember some times when James saw a Johto Pokémon and said how they had one at their mansion when he was a boy. Yet he still thought there were no Pokémon other than the 150 Kanto Pokémon before he set of for Johto. And reading summaries or even looking at pictures is also enough for this subject. Like with the Slaking episode of yesterday. They are in Kanto, yet there are multiple wild Aipom, Vigaroth and Slaking. Or with the battle pyramid of a little while back. There were ruins, very ancient and that had existed long before Ash was even born, yet a Salamence and a Hoothoot live there. Just reading summaries and looking at pictures is enough for this subject.

The reason why you don't see any new Pokemon in current games is because..gee, I dunno..perhaps because they're created and announced AFTER the games are released? Last time I checked none of our games had any patches that advance the games further.

But that is looking at Pokémon through the eyes of someone one our world. What people mean with questions like this is why it is in the world of the game. Saying that the creators didn't create Manectric before Raikou doesn't answer that question when in-game wild Manectric might have lived long before that specific Raikou was reincarnated.

The only thing they have in common is that they're both Electric Type. Sure, Raikou is a Legendary "Dog", but since it's more cat-like in appearance, you can't say or prove that Raikou is, indeed, related to Manectric. Plus the fact that Manectric came into existence 2 or so years after Raikou. :/

What both having Speed and Special attack as their two main stats? What about both being four-legged? What about both being part yellow? I think that Raikou resembles Jolteon more, but that doesn't keep away the fact that these two have at least some things in common.
And you are also looking through the eyes of the player, not the character.

Again, the only thing they have in common is the Type. Does Entei have stripes all over its bosy? Does Arcanine carry a volcanic rock on its back and roam the fields every minutes? No. And Entei is a LION, Arcanine is a Tiger/Wolf combination. Are they related? No.

No, but besides the stripes Entei's and Arcenine's colours are nearly identical.
Entei also doesn't carry a volcanic rock on its back. That is Camerupt.
Yes, Arcenine does run alot. Arcenine are known for their speed and they are able to travel 6,200 miles in 24 hours. And I don't think Entei did all that roaming when trapped in the basement of the Burnt Tower.
Stripes=/=Equal tiger. Arcenine looks more like a lion than any tiger or dog I've ever seen. It is how their body looks what makes what animal it resembles, not what colours it is. And have you ever seen a tiger or a dog with manes? Because Arcenine has them and so does Entei.

How the hell can Suicune be related to a later-designed, Fourth Generation Pokémon? The idea is ridiculous, not to mention incredibly pathetic, having a Legendary get related to a Normal Pokémon...

Once again, try not to look at the game as a player, but as a character. A Normal Pokémon? When did he say that?

Plus the fact that NONE of the Pokémon staff, be it Nintendo or the Animators, never intended for any of the Legendary Dogs to be based on, or be related to, a certain other Dog Pokémon of the same type.

That seems pretty obvious to me when two of the three beasts look more like cats than dogs.

 

[Liam-Kun]

i think the eeveelutions