Legendary Pokemon Discussion Thread [Read First Post]

[KuroiMawile]

It has to be something that wasn't available in BW, so I'd rule Light/Dark Stone out.

Does it? It's not been done before, but does that mean a similar item can't exist as a different type? We can't trade the Griseous Orb to Diamond and Pearl, can we? Would it be so outrageous to have a similar item called Dark/Light Stone?

There was a dummied out item named God Stone, wasn't it? A gray version of the Light/Dark Stone. Maybe it transforms Kyurem into Black or White Kyurem depending or which dragon is present (which one of them is on the player's team, once they're available to be caught).

-#5, though I think kyurem has only the one form depending on the game. Black Kyurem doesn't exist in White/2 and Vice versa. My reasoning is that BW only recognize 1 other form of kyurem, meaning that kyurem is probably pre-programmed to be Black or White Kyurem in Black or White, respectively. Just a thought.

I think I answered my own question. Doesn't 'rule it out', though. For all we know, they could be Kinda Dark/ Sorta Light Stone hold items. Options, people, options.

 

[Ver-mont]

Does it? It's not been done before, but does that mean a similar item can't exist as a different type? We can't trade the Griseous Orb to Diamond and Pearl, can we? Would it be so outrageous to have a similar item called Dark/Light Stone?

As long as they're not the same Light/Dark Stones we had in BW... because GameFreak always "justifies" new evolutions or forms having them triggered by elements that weren't previously obtainable (or at least tries to justify it like that).

 

[Reshiram44]

"Hurr durr Keldeo looks like a sissy horse therefore its bad"

This is a very dumb mindset to have. You're biased against Keldeo because of your own ignorance, and it's preventing you from really seeing the design. Keldeo is not a girly pony. Keldeo is meant to look young, and that's what his design accomplishes.

What's the deal here... seriously? It's just an opinion. Just state you're opinion (not a hateful one) and don't bother criticising people about it. There, problem solved.

 

[KuroiMawile]

As long as they're not the same Light/Dark Stones we had in BW... because GameFreak always "justifies" new evolutions or forms having them triggered by elements that weren't previously obtainable (or at least tries to justify it like that).

While I would say, "the Zekrom/Reshiram from BW reverted to a stone," That ignores the fact Kyurem is taking the form of N's dragon, not the Character's.* So, held-stones is, from a story aspect, less likely.

(*also, does that make Resh/Zek fossil legendaries, since they came from stones?)

Also, if we can't talk about and judge other's opinions or theories what are we to discuss and debate about? In my opinion, I hate the argument that you can't talk about the lack of sense one's opinion is based on. (especially if the expected response to someone's thought is that it should be pink fluffy unicorns jumping on rainbows)

 

[legoslayer10]

"Hurr durr Keldeo looks like a sissy horse therefore its bad"

This is a very dumb mindset to have. You're biased against Keldeo because of your own ignorance, and it's preventing you from really seeing the design. Keldeo is not a girly pony. Keldeo is meant to look young, and that's what his design accomplishes.

Maybe if you'd have taken the time to read my entire comment, you'd have figured out I do enjoy Keldeo for his statitistics and moveset, as he's got amazing abilities. I just don't enjoy how his design seems to make him look weaker to me. If my ignorance prevented me from seeing Keldeo's ture potential, than apparently yours is to the point where all you care about is how the Pokemon looks. I see it from both sides. I think he just doesn't look like a stronger Pokemon, and he coincidentally looks like a My Little Pony character. Keldeo does look young, and INEXPERIENCED. Experience always plays a part in battle, and I focus more on my battling than on the look of the Pokemon I use. Maybe you need to look at the other side of the coin. I'd happily use a Keldeo in my party.

 

[Reshiram44]

I hope White Kyurem will be a separate Pokemon from Kyurem. I have a feeling that B/W Kyurem can be preset at the same time.

I'm right with you there buddy. I feel the same way. I love White Kyurem, I feel he (I think of "him" as a she, don't know why though) should be independent. Unfortunately, that might not happen. hoping GF will change their minds. I'm typing this on a 3ds lol...

 

[Taodragon]

-#5, though I think kyurem has only the one form depending on the game. Black Kyurem doesn't exist in White/2 and Vice versa. My reasoning is that BW only recognize 1 other form of kyurem, meaning that kyurem is probably pre-programmed to be Black or White Kyurem in Black or White, respectively. Just a thought.

If you're referring to the "1" in the forms data sheet, then that's just a placeholder for any number of future forms rather then those games just recognizing one form. Either way, it probably doesn't matter anymore considering that Keldeo and the Kami trio's forms weren't in that data anyway, so who knows what new forms we'll get once the games are out.

 

[rovert]

Does it? It's not been done before, but does that mean a similar item can't exist as a different type? We can't trade the Griseous Orb to Diamond and Pearl, can we? Would it be so outrageous to have a similar item called Dark/Light Stone?


-#5, though I think kyurem has only the one form depending on the game. Black Kyurem doesn't exist in White/2 and Vice versa. My reasoning is that BW only recognize 1 other form of kyurem, meaning that kyurem is probably pre-programmed to be Black or White Kyurem in Black or White, respectively. Just a thought.


I think I answered my own question. Doesn't 'rule it out', though. For all we know, they could be Kinda Dark/ Sorta Light Stone hold items. Options, people, options.

I really hope this is not true but it would explain the lack of White Kyurem vs Black Kyurem as of yet. But then would it end up like Deoxys and have a way to change the formes in later games (not including grey/gray if they make it)?

 

[KuroiMawile]

Now here's something, does it make sense to program a forme's placeholder in a game it can't exist? How many forms did Pichu have in DP? I personally am not convinced it is a placeholder for any number of forms.
The kami trio and Keldeo might not have forms in BW, reverting when attempting to trade or just preventing them from being traded (kami trio specifically). In relationship to BW I am putting money they only recognize the formes of pokemon programmed into it. Kyurem being 1 of 2 formes. This could be wrong, like all speculation, of course.

(side note: my hatred grows for the word 'forme')

 

[Taodragon]

Now here's something, does it make sense to program a forme's placeholder in a game it can't exist? How many forms did Pichu have in DP? I personally am not convinced it is a placeholder for any number of forms.

Giratina had the same placeholder data in DP for its Origin form that was introduced in Platinum, so yes, they can program that into the game since they've done it before. Also, Pichu was incompatible with any other game in the 4th generation because it was supposed to be a special collectable, not a form.

 

[rocky505]

Giratina had the same placeholder data in DP for its Origin form that was introduced in Platinum, so yes, they can program that into the game since they've done it before. Also, Pichu was incompatible with any other game in the 4th generation because it was supposed to be a special collectable, not a form.

SE Pichu is considered a forme just like unown. It's a separate forme of an already existing creature.

 

[Grei]

I just wondering how the Kyurem formes will work. How will it transform into Black and or White Kyurem. I suspect that those tubes have something to do with it.

I believe those tubes are a part of White Kyurem/Black Kyurem going into "overdrive mode." I have no clue what that means, but I don't think it's related to forme changing.

What are our options?
-Held item (dark/light stone as hold items)
-Move (using Freeze Shock or Ice Burn morphs Kyurem)
-Meteorite (Like Deoxys, 'the rock has the essence of R@m)
-Ability (have pokemon gotten new abilities between games?)
-Key Item ('God stone' as the Glacidia Flower, 'turns Kyurem into forme based on your game')
-No items, (Black/White Kyurem is the only forme of kyurem in the Black/White 2)

Is that all?

As Ver-mont said, Light Stone/Dark Stone are ruled out. As for abilities... I think some Pokemon have changed abilities between games (specifically when forme-changing is involved), but it would have to be an ability that already exists in BW's coding... I think. Maybe I'm wrong.

I'm thinking it's the last one.

What's the deal here... seriously? It's just an opinion. Just state you're opinion (not a hateful one) and don't bother criticising people about it. There, problem solved.

Well, I'm the kind of person who will respond to a post if it contains an opinion that's presented in a poor way. Deal.

I'm right with you there buddy. I feel the same way. I love White Kyurem, I feel he (I think of "him" as a she, don't know why though) should be independent. Unfortunately, that might not happen. hoping GF will change their minds. I'm typing this on a 3ds lol...

What do you mean, "I hope they change their minds?" It's set in stone by this point. More likely than not, the games are already being manufactured. White Kyurem is going to be the same entity and Black Kyurem and regular Kyurem. :S

 

[Endolise]

I believe those tubes are a part of White Kyurem/Black Kyurem going into "overdrive mode." I have no clue what that means, but I don't think it's related to forme changing.

The way I understand it, Overdrive is basically the same thing as when Reshiram/Zekrom's sprites glow red/blue. The only difference for Kyurem is that in addition to glowing, when he's in Overdrive mode his tubes connect to his tail.

 

[intergalactic platypus]

Keledo is based on a Kelpie. All the people saying it looks like a My Little Pony character or a cartoon pony are just not getting that.

 

[Reshiram44]

Grei said: What do you mean, "I hope they change their minds?" It's set in stone by this point. More likely than not, the games are already being manufactured. White Kyurem is going to be the same entity and Black Kyurem and regular Kyurem. :S[/QUOTE]
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I meant in the anime grei. The games I already know it says kyurem, but what if it is still White Kyurem but just named Kyurem? You never know. And you didn't even read legoslayer10's whole post before you criticised him.

 

[Ver-mont]

Keledo is based on a Kelpie. All the people saying it looks like a My Little Pony character or a cartoon pony are just not getting that.

It's based on the Kelpie and on a colt. Many people just see the second part and mistake it for a pony.

 

[Reshiram44]

Keledo is based on a Kelpie. All the people saying it looks like a My Little Pony character or a cartoon pony are just not getting that.

What is kelpie? Keldeo was not intenionally based on a my little pony. I don't know what that business is really about. And is a gay couple from glee really nessesary? Lol

 

[Izanagi]

It's based on the Kelpie and on a colt. Many people just see the second part and mistake it for a pony.

I really don't see how it looks like a My Little Pony unless people are just trying to bash it. It is more of an colt than Kelpie I think.

 

[Endolise]

And is a gay couple from glee really nessesary? Lol

Topic derailed in 4... 3... 2...


On-topic: I don't understand this sudden resurgence of the belief that Kyurem, BKyu and WKyu are separate Pokemon. It was confirmed long ago that they are formes. Changeable or not, they won't be coexisting.

 

[Ver-mont]

What is kelpie? Keldeo was not intenionally based on a my little pony. I don't know what that business is really about. And is a gay couple from glee really nessesary? Lol

A kelpie is a spook from Celtic folklore, a strong and powerful water horse who sometimes appears to people as a lost pony/colt.