Legends: Arceus - General Speculation/Discussion Thread

[ebevan91]

How do you guys think the legendary Pokemon will be involved in this game? Mainly talking about the creation trio and lake guardians. I'm guessing we'll encounter them at some point in the main story with Arceus being like the final encounter of the game. Then you also have Cresselia, Heatran, and Regigigas which I think will be side quests. Not sure about the other Sinnoh mythicals.

 

[Ignition]

How do you guys think the legendary Pokemon will be involved in this game? Mainly talking about the creation trio and lake guardians. I'm guessing we'll encounter them at some point in the main story with Arceus being like the final encounter of the game. Then you also have Cresselia, Heatran, and Regigigas which I think will be side quests. Not sure about the other Sinnoh mythicals.

I could see Dialga and Palkia as penultimate bosses before encountering Arceus. There seems to be two factions for the two of them so maybe the one you side with helps you fight the other one? The Lake Trio will probably be story benchmarks that help you learn more about Arceus & that you can recruit in the post game.
Giratina & Regigigas could work as “secret” postgame boss battles akin to Red in the Johto games. Heatran & Cresselia will probably be side quests.

 

[ShadowForce720]

I could see Dialga and Palkia as penultimate bosses before encountering Arceus. There seems to be two factions for the two of them so maybe the one you side with helps you fight the other one? The Lake Trio will probably be story benchmarks that help you learn more about Arceus & that you can recruit in the post game.
Giratina & Regigigas could work as “secret” postgame boss battles akin to Red in the Johto games. Heatran & Cresselia will probably be side quests.

You know I wouldn’t be that surprised if Legends Arceus winds up introduced some new legendary and/or mythical Pokémon.

 

[Smeargle-Sketch]

I actually would not be surprised if the other legendaries just aren't in the game.

Cause BDSP will have all the encounters for them and that the focus is on Arceus for this game, other legendaries might take that away.

I could see DLC packs for post game side quests though.

 

[Wulava]

This game could potentially give Dialga, Palkia and Giratina new forms since it seems that they aren't getting any in BDSP.

 

[Captain Jigglypuff]

This game could potentially give Dialga, Palkia and Giratina new forms since it seems that they aren't getting any in BDSP.

Maybe not Giratina because of its Origin and Altered forms which is all it really needs.

 

[Totodi1e]

Iscan and Professor Laventon are giving me some headache! I tried to sumarize some similarities and differences between the new characters and their potential or confirmed descendants (using their official artworks). We can use what they can have in common to guess (if any) some potential descendants.

Kamado and Rowan

• Similarities: shape of eyes, eyebrows, nose, moustache, sideburns, mouth and head; color of skin and eyes; gender; name origins.
• Differences: hairstyle; color of hair and facial hair; age.

Cylenne and Cyrus

• Similarities: shape of eyes, iris, nose and head; color of skin, hair and eyes; lack of eyebrown and facial hair; name origins; age.
• Differences: hairstyle; shape of iris and mouth; gender.

Mai and Marley

• Similarities: shape of eyes, mouth, nose and head; color of skin, hair and eyes; hairstyle; name origins; gender; age; use of hair ornament.
• Differences: type of ornament.

Lian and Clay

• Similarities: shape of eyes, mouth, nose, sideburns; color of skin, hair and eyes; hairstyle; gender; name origins; hat features.
• Differences: shape of head (chin; skin); eyelashes; age.

Arezu and Mars

• Similarities: shape of eyes, mouth, nose, head; color of skin, hair and eyes; hairstyle; gender; name origins; age. Maybe eyebrows.
• Differences: show eyebrow.

We have, in general:

• Similarities in potential: shape of eyes, nose, eyebrow, moustache and sideburns; color of eyes, hair and skin; hairstyle; name origins.
• Minor differences: Color of hair and hairstyle; shape of some head features (chin and mouth). Color of hair just change when age change. Hair color and hairstyle don’t change at same time.
• Major differences: gender; age; distinctive ornaments can be present, but aren’t exact the same. The possible differences occur, but not all in same character. Gender and age don’t change at same time.

Now, comparing with the NPC of the regions.

Iscan

• Shape of eyes (almost closed): Morty.
• Shape of nose (round): none similar.
• Shape of eyebrow (rounded, divided in two at one of sides): none similar.
• Shape of mouth: Acerola; Raihan.
• Moustache and sideburns (none): not distinctive.
• Hairstyle (shaved or bald with blue wave pattern): Mr. Fuji (bald), Blaine (bald/shaved); Crasher Wake (bald with little hair); any Sage trainer class; Spenser (bald with blue patterns in body).
• Color of eyes (black): not distinctive.
• Color of hair/eyebrow (deep blue): Falkner; Cress; Marlon; Mable; Lana; Nessa; Battle Chatelaine Evelyn; Phyco and Soliera (nonsense).
• Color of skin (brown): Brock; Matt, Phoebe; Shelly and Archie (ORAS); Spenser; Dahlia; Lenora; Iris; Marshal; Marlon (if Iscan is white-tanned); Grant; Olympia Professor Kukui; Professor Burnet (if Iscan is white-tanned); Hau; Hala; Kiawe; Olivia; Professor Samson; Hop; Leon; Rose; Nessa; Bea; Raihan; Peony. Doesn't seem to be a good single criteria.
• Name origins (Iscan/Susuki from Miscanthus sinensis, the chinese silvergrass): none. Marlon has a name based on a similar watergrass.

Conclusion: if Iscan have descendants in the present of the majority of Pokémon games, it's more probable that we haven't see they for now. Maybe a hook for a future reference. If I would guess anyone, I'd say Spenser, Raihan or Marlon, that match in just two of the ten criteria.

Professor Laventon

• Shape of eyes (tiny iris, pentagonal white shape): none.
• Shape of nose (a line): not distinctive.
• Shape of eyebrow (thick lines): not distinctive.
• Shape of head: not distinctive.
• Moustache and sideburns (very little beard and facial hair): Professor Elm; Alder.
• Hairstyle (not show): not distinctive.
• Color of eyes (light purple): Bugsy; Janine; Winona; Lucian; Alder (I'm surprised actually); Olympia; Kahili; Allister; Bede.
• Color of hair/eyebrow/facial hair (black): not distinctive.
• Color of skin (brown): similar to Iscan. Doesn't seem to be a good single criteria.
• Name origins (lavender): none.

Conclusion: like Iscan, if Professor Laventon have descendants in the "present-time", we haven't see them for now. Maybe a future reference. If we ever see it without it's wooly hat, I guess it could get more information (could it hide an Alder-like hairstyle?).

Feel free to complement, if I forgot anything.

 

[Luthor]

Iscan and Professor Laventon are giving me some headache! I tried to sumarize some similarities and differences between the new characters and their potential or confirmed descendants (using their official artworks). We can use what they can have in common to guess (if any) some potential descendants.

Kamado and Rowan

• Similarities: shape of eyes, eyebrows, nose, moustache, sideburns, mouth and head; color of skin and eyes; gender; name origins.
• Differences: hairstyle; color of hair and facial hair; age.

Cylenne and Cyrus

• Similarities: shape of eyes, iris, nose and head; color of skin, hair and eyes; lack of eyebrown and facial hair; name origins; age.
• Differences: hairstyle; shape of iris and mouth; gender.

Mai and Marley

• Similarities: shape of eyes, mouth, nose and head; color of skin, hair and eyes; hairstyle; name origins; gender; age; use of hair ornament.
• Differences: type of ornament.

Lian and Clay

• Similarities: shape of eyes, mouth, nose, sideburns; color of skin, hair and eyes; hairstyle; gender; name origins; hat features.
• Differences: shape of head (chin; skin); eyelashes; age.

Arezu and Mars

• Similarities: shape of eyes, mouth, nose, head; color of skin, hair and eyes; hairstyle; gender; name origins; age. Maybe eyebrows.
• Differences: show eyebrow.

We have, in general:

• Similarities in potential: shape of eyes, nose, eyebrow, moustache and sideburns; color of eyes, hair and skin; hairstyle; name origins.
• Minor differences: Color of hair and hairstyle; shape of some head features (chin and mouth). Color of hair just change when age change. Hair color and hairstyle don’t change at same time.
• Major differences: gender; age; distinctive ornaments can be present, but aren’t exact the same. The possible differences occur, but not all in same character. Gender and age don’t change at same time.

Now, comparing with the NPC of the regions.

Iscan

• Shape of eyes (almost closed): Morty.
• Shape of nose (round): none similar.
• Shape of eyebrow (rounded, divided in two at one of sides): none similar.
• Shape of mouth: Acerola; Raihan.
• Moustache and sideburns (none): not distinctive.
• Hairstyle (shaved or bald with blue wave pattern): Mr. Fuji (bald), Blaine (bald/shaved); Crasher Wake (bald with little hair); any Sage trainer class; Spenser (bald with blue patterns in body).
• Color of eyes (black): not distinctive.
• Color of hair/eyebrow (deep blue): Falkner; Cress; Marlon; Mable; Lana; Nessa; Battle Chatelaine Evelyn; Phyco and Soliera (nonsense).
• Color of skin (brown): Brock; Matt, Phoebe; Shelly and Archie (ORAS); Spenser; Dahlia; Lenora; Iris; Marshal; Marlon (if Iscan is white-tanned); Grant; Olympia Professor Kukui; Professor Burnet (if Iscan is white-tanned); Hau; Hala; Kiawe; Olivia; Professor Samson; Hop; Leon; Rose; Nessa; Bea; Raihan; Peony. Doesn't seem to be a good single criteria.
• Name origins (Iscan/Susuki from Miscanthus sinensis, the chinese silvergrass): none. Marlon has a name based on a similar watergrass.

Conclusion: if Iscan have descendants in the present of the majority of Pokémon games, it's more probable that we haven't see they for now. Maybe a hook for a future reference. If I would guess anyone, I'd say Spenser, Raihan or Marlon, that match in just two of the ten criteria.

Professor Laventon

• Shape of eyes (tiny iris, pentagonal white shape): none.
• Shape of nose (a line): not distinctive.
• Shape of eyebrow (thick lines): not distinctive.
• Shape of head: not distinctive.
• Moustache and sideburns (very little beard and facial hair): Professor Elm; Alder.
• Hairstyle (not show): not distinctive.
• Color of eyes (light purple): Bugsy; Janine; Winona; Lucian; Alder (I'm surprised actually); Olympia; Kahili; Allister; Bede.
• Color of hair/eyebrow/facial hair (black): not distinctive.
• Color of skin (brown): similar to Iscan. Doesn't seem to be a good single criteria.
• Name origins (lavender): none.

Conclusion: like Iscan, if Professor Laventon have descendants in the "present-time", we haven't see them for now. Maybe a future reference. If we ever see it without it's wooly hat, I guess it could get more information (could it hide an Alder-like hairstyle?).

Feel free to complement, if I forgot anything.

You make an interesting point. I could see it being plausible that Iscan or Laventon are actually ancestors of gen 9 character. They wouldn't even need to know much about the character and just use them as a base idea.

 

[Smeargle-Sketch]

I feel like Iscan has connections to Marlon, just cause Marlon is officially just tanned doesn't mean he can't be related, interracial relationships and all.

Both have similar hair color and skin color albiet the tan, this could jus be to relate further in appearance without actually making Iscan just be tanned.
Both are water type specialists
Both seem to connected to ghost type as a secondary typing, since Marlon's ace is Jellicent and Iscan looks after Basculegion.
Lastly its not too farfetch'd since Unova already as connections to Hissui/Sinnoh with Laventon bringing Oshawott over and Lian being an ancestor to Clay.

 

[Mr.Munchlax]

Mai and Marley

• Similarities: shape of eyes, mouth, nose and head; color of skin, hair and eyes; hairstyle; name origins; gender; age; use of hair ornament.
• Differences: type of ornament.

Also body shape since Mai looks slightly more muscular than Marley

 

[Totodi1e]

You make an interesting point. I could see it being plausible that Iscan or Laventon are actually ances tors of gen 9 character. They wouldn't even need to know much about the character and just use them as a base idea.

Yeah! That's definitely an option.

I feel like Iscan has connections to Marlon, just cause Marlon is officially just tanned doesn't mean he can't be related, interracial relationships and all.

Both have similar hair color and skin color albiet the tan, this could jus be to relate further in appearance without actually making Iscan just be tanned.
Both are water type specialists
Both seem to connected to ghost type as a secondary typing, since Marlon's ace is Jellicent and Iscan looks after Basculegion.
Lastly its not too farfetch'd since Unova already as connections to Hissui/Sinnoh with Laventon bringing Oshawott over and Lian being an ancestor to Clay.

I see it... But just feel like they don't share too much characteristics like the others. Just share eyebrow and skin colors. It's very different to the other cases, like Mai.

Also body shape since Mai looks slightly more muscular than Marley

I restricted this analysis to the head. It seems to me that only Arezu and Kamado (and the PC, of course) remains with a similar body shape.

 

[Smeargle-Sketch]

It is just as easy to believe Iscan and Laventon are just new characters, we'll have to see what the rest of the character roster is like.

 

[Wulava]

I honestly would've preferred if majority of the characters are actually new and not related to any existing characters.

 

[Smeargle-Sketch]

People keep thinking this game won't have abilities in it.

Where do you guys stand?

I just think its not important info to Gamefreak whilst showing new Pokemon and isn't needed to promote them at this time.

However it is true the abilities are not shown on the Pokemon info tab when looking at Pokemon in the pastures, unless the ability is listed on a secondary page.

Also I'd assume abilities would be in cause certain Pokemon kind of need them, even Arceus does.

 

[Ignition]

People keep thinking this game won't have abilities in it.

Where do you guys stand?

I just think its not important info to Gamefreak whilst showing new Pokemon and isn't needed to promote them at this time.

However it is true the abilities are not shown on the Pokemon info tab when looking at Pokemon in the pastures, unless the ability is listed on a secondary page.

Also I'd assume abilities would be in cause certain Pokemon kind of need them, even Arceus does.

Level 32 Drifblim with assumed perfect EVs/IVs & Beneficial Nature	Current Stat System as of Sword and Shield	Legends Arceus Stat System
HP	168	252
Attack	94	100
Defense	69	69
Special Attack	101	111
Special Defense	75	72
Speed	94	107

If you look at the Drifblim from one of the screenshots, it has different stats than what a level 32 Drifblim usually has (with the exception of Defense). I think it’s possible Abilities will receive a similar mechanical change to fit the changes in LA’s battle system as you can see a number in some sort of gauge next to each stat.

Or maybe Abilities, Natures, & met location are on a separate page like they are in SwSh as LA seems to move the moveset & type to the same page as the aforementioned characteristics but nothing on experience points and held items.

 

[Luthor]

People keep thinking this game won't have abilities in it.

Where do you guys stand?

I just think its not important info to Gamefreak whilst showing new Pokemon and isn't needed to promote them at this time.

However it is true the abilities are not shown on the Pokemon info tab when looking at Pokemon in the pastures, unless the ability is listed on a secondary page.

Also I'd assume abilities would be in cause certain Pokemon kind of need them, even Arceus does.

My guess is the games either won't have abilities in them or that abilities will be something we discover during the game through the game (through updating the Pokedex). The fact the website didn't list the abilities (but does list stats such as height and weight) makes me think of Melmetal another Pokemon who also didn't get an ability in initial game but its no guarantee the same applies to this game. Personally I would like abilities in-game but until we get an indication they are in I'll assume not for the moment.

 

[Kyuu-Tales]

Kamado and Rowan

• Similarities: shape of eyes, eyebrows, nose, moustache, sideburns, mouth and head; color of skin and eyes; gender; name origins.
• Differences: hairstyle; color of hair and facial hair; age.

I just realized something recently that definitively proves that these two were intended to parallel one another:

Professor Rowan's Japanese name is Nanakamado-hakase. (I played DP in Japanese, I should've noticed it earlier!)

Arezu and Mars

• Similarities: shape of eyes, mouth, nose, head; color of skin, hair and eyes; hairstyle; gender; name origins; age. Maybe eyebrows.
• Differences: show eyebrow.

In this case, "Arezu" is phonologically close enough to Arēsu, the romanization of the name of the Greek god of war, called "Mars" by the Romans.

 

[Captain Jigglypuff]

I think that the games will have Abilities to a certain degree but not in the sense that they are classified that way. I’m thinking that they will be called “Traits” or “Characteristics” or something similar and that the trainers in the game simply think that the Abilities are simply part of the natural makeup of Pokémon and nothing that special or worth studying or figuring out how they work. For instance, human in Hisui are cautious not to handle Raichu for too long or else its “Trait” of immobilizing you will occur.

 

[Orphalesion]

I think Arezu’s noble pokémon is most likely a Grass type since the inside of her band is green and the wardens’ bands have colors based on their type focus

Well, theoretically that could mean a Husian Jynx variant with an evolution, maybe something that's more obviously based on a mountain hag. (Like others I'd really like a Jynx variant, just to give GF the chance to redeem that Pokemon)
But I'm not sure how realistic that idea is.

 

[Smeargle-Sketch]

I think Arezu’s noble pokémon is most likely a Grass type since the inside of her band is green and the wardens’ bands have colors based on their type focus

Hard to say actually, the color of their bands match the actual Pokemon not the typing.

Whilst Lian's and Mia's match Wydeer's and Kleavor's typings, Iscan's matches the color of Basculegion. Which is dark green, not blue like the color of its typing.

So what ever Pokemon Arezu looks after, it'll have that light green, but does not mean it will be a grass type.