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Sceptilesolarbeam

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Computer troubles. Hang on.

Draco is a amateur trainer moving to Hoenn from Orre. He makes his quest collecting badges while being watched by a shadowy organization and a skilled mercenary named Valkyn, who is also a regional champion. a. Should I include legendaries? They were meant to be the villain's weapons.
b. What should I title the fic?

Unfortunately, my computer won't let me be much more specific. I haven't decided on all the plot developments, but I plan the badge quest to be mostly secondary.
 
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PDL

disenchanted
please don't triple post like that, it's not kosher, and it's against the rules...
 

Xiang

Well-Known Member
First of all, don't double post. Second of all, that plotline has been used in the games- not very original and interesting. You'll need something original or a new way at the journey.

It's also considered unrealistic to have Legendaries under human control unless with some really powerful technology stuff. Science considered here.

Don't have a title idea yet.
 

PDL

disenchanted
Ratiasu said:
It's also considered unrealistic to have Legendaries under human control unless with some really powerful technology stuff. Science considered here.

well, technically, Cipher has proven time and time again that it is more then capable of controling legendary pokemon, so that wouldn't be a huge streach if they happened to take control of them once again in the fanfic...
 
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Sceptilesolarbeam

Guest
a. I'm sorry for the large number of posts, but my computer is too sucky to let me post larger than the Quick Reply box.
b. As for the Legendaries, I know it's a stretch, but Legendaries are just regular Pokemon with more than normal powers. They can be caught.
c. It isn't Cipher, or Team Rocket. It's much darker than that.
 

Eternal Daydreamer

Surrender to the Sea
c. It isn't Cipher, or Team Rocket. It's much darker than that.
New threat. Bleh, everyone has a new threat now-a-days. No offense. *I* have a worse threat than either teams in An Aged Fairytale. I can see another rip off team coming....
b. As for the Legendaries, I know it's a stretch, but Legendaries are just regular Pokemon with more than normal powers. They can be caught.
Oh, right. You can waltz right up to a Mew and catch one on the first shot. << It's not so easy. You are acting like the Legendaries are no more than Charizards or something. It takes patience, skill, and power to take one down.

And I think you can write more in the reply box than you think. Sorry for being so crabby today..
 

Haunter

Johto Champion
Legendaries can't be caught unless it's with a) uber scientific mega technology b) some sort of magic or whatever.

And even then it'd be hard, unless the Legendary is caught by surprise. Mega-surprise.
 

CHeSHiRe-CaT

A Curious Breed
PDL said:
well, technically, Cipher has proven time and time again that it is more then capable of controling legendary pokemon, so that wouldn't be a huge streach if they happened to take control of them once again in the fanfic...
It's true that Cipher controlled several legendaries, but they had excellent technology, as someone mentioned before. Their labs and network are huge, and your team would have to follow in their footsteps.
 

The Great Butler

Hush, keep it down
The Cheshire Cat said:
It's true that Cipher controlled several legendaries, but they had excellent technology, as someone mentioned before. Their labs and network are huge, and your team would have to follow in their footsteps.

[SPOIL]Enigma Shadow's technology and lab power make Cipher look like bit-players. :p[/SPOIL]
 

Mew King

It's black magic!
I've experimented with the legendary problem.

3/4th of the time I use a combo of Pokémon knowing the future and destiny to join up with the trainers. Basically, I had the main characters "capture" Mews in one of my fics to eventually use to stop some big bad baddie (who has a noble goal per say but a horrific way of accomplishing it with horrific side effects).

The other way is the "Ash method" taken to extremes. That is helping a legendary out and in turn gives itself to the trainer.

However, with both methods, power is the main problem. I usually have the Mews in my fic being naturally as weak as other Pokémon but having a strong will for what is just and right. So, they will only put their full power in when they know it will benefit the masses.
 

Klaus

TOMATO BERRY!
I really don't think it's the journey that gets on peoples nerves, I think it's the whole plot thing.

Now, I really don't know how your computer could keep you from going into detail. I got confused.

Ok, now, that's over, I must say that if you want it to succeed, then you'll want to make it the most it can be. You must add more characters to it. I must say that with Elm, Ethan, Maxie, Kris and Taylor, mine wouldn't be what it is.

Now, for the darkness of the team of evil guys. Well, I wouldn't go making any pridictions about how 'evil' they'll be. I mean, how much more evil can they get..unless you count emotional abuse, violence, torture, betrayal and other cruel and vile behavior. How evil are they gonna be. THey won't be trying to take over the world, will they? That be a comedic thing, but, it's over used.

Now,for the legendary thing, in realistic terms, a legenday could rip, tear and any other mutilation you can think of, a human.

Just go out on it, make it the best it can be and if you run and hide from the unoriginal trainer plot then you should do well...

Hope that helps.

As always, be kind to the mime. ;122;
 

Keleri

I pinch.
I'd want to see the 'fic before I make any judgements about it, but even if you are working with an overused plot, there's nothing wrong with trying--it's important to practice to improve as a writer. I say, go for it, and if it doesn't turn out that great you can improve it. What's more important is that you're writing a story that you enjoy; having others like it is kind of a nice extra.

Using legendaries depends on how you depict them in your story; I see that you're going to go with the view that they're just like any other pokémon, but rare and more powerful. That can work, but necessarily your villain's intimidating factor will go down for the other characters in your story, since he's done something hard, yes, but not incredible (i.e. caught an anime-style 'god' of [element]). Which isn't to say that it's not worth it, it would still be impressive (to the other characters) if he had a team of them, when the very best trainers would normally only have the time and effort to devote to catching one.

Personally, I feel that legendaries 'giving' themselves to trainers, even temporarily, is more unrealistic (and trite, as we've seen it so many times in the anime) than a trainer managing to catch one via luck and strength and guile. I myself prefer, "I have this pokémon because I was strong enough to defeat and capture it", to "lolz teh legedns liek me cuz Im suhc a kewlies persun adn coem adn help me wehn itz convenent 2 teh plot!!!1"

I feel that it's very important that the trainer pay some sort of 'price' when capturing a legendary--it should change them as a person. They should spend years tracking the thing down, training their pokémon so that they'll have a chance against the legendary, researching--almost obsessive behavior that will strain their social relationships. The only good legendary-capturing 'fic I ever read was about a trainer whose expedition team-member died in the process, and who nearly died himself--first in the process of capturing the legendary, and second when the government caught up with him.

I did read another 'fic where the legendary capture wasn't the -focus-... it was Clouded Sky, by Negrek. Anyway, that one was good because the girl caught an injured Raikou--and the portrayal was realistic because all it did was try to run any time that she let it out, and eventually had to bring it to Professor Elm because she couldn't handle it. Which brings up the question of, how will your villain control his legendaries? I'll leave that up to you, but there are many ways it could be achieved.

'Journey' 'fics are fine, as long as you spice them up from the base level of "[character] walks around and gets badges, ho-hum." With villains it's hard to win, because you either get "blah, Team Rocket again?" or "new threats are soooo lame!" In my opinion, the best thing you can do is not to worry about it, and just concentrate on making the villain(s) as good as possible: they should be worthy adversaries, not saturday-morning cartoon-stock bumbling henchmen and the like.

Klaus said:
Now,for the legendary thing, in realistic terms, a legenday could rip, tear and any other mutilation you can think of, a human.

True, but so could almost any other pokémon, not to mention inflict various types of elemental damage. I think a wild pokémon being able or intending to hurt a trainer would be something the trainer -expects-, not something to deter capture unless you're going to limit yourself to Lv. 5 Igglybuff and Cleffa.
 
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Snazzy Snorlax

Guest
Not enough Journey fics, eh? I've got a few Journey songfics...

Journey said:
Just a small town girl, livin' in a lonely world
She took the midnight train goin' anywhere
Just a city boy, born and raised in south Detroit
He took the midnight train goin' anywhere

A singer in a smokey room
A smell of wine and cheap perfume
For a smile they can share the night
It goes on and on and on and on

Strangers waiting, up and down the boulevard
Their shadows searching in the night
Streetlight people, living just to find emotion
Hiding, somewhere in the night

Working hard to get my fill,
everybody wants a thrill
Payin' anything to roll the dice,
just one more time
Some will win, some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on and on and on

Don't stop believin'
Hold on to the feelin'
Streetlight people

Rimshot, anyone?
 

billy5772

SENIOR
That dragon in your banner, person who posted just above me, looks a lot like Trogdor, the burninator.
 

Astinus

Well-Known Member
The best way to go with the villians is to make them seem like they are doing the right thing. That, in their eyes, they can do no wrong. Like Team Aqua and Magma. They didn't want to believe that what they were doing was going to destroy the world.

Journey fics are hard to make more interesting. It seems like every one just tries to be different from the same old plot. Keleri was right. Sometimes, you just can't win. You just have to try your hardest.

What I did was give my character a theological battle in her family that she would have to solve. It's a real messy plot, with Pokémon on the same team almost killing one another, family fights, and humans that are actually gods...

And most of those ideas were from other literature.

"Don't Stop Believin'!" Awesome. We need more Journey fics... *joins in clapping*
 
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