Ominous Wind
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What's this? Ash getting a Pokemon that was heavily promoted during the waiting period for a Generation? Color me surprised.
It's obvious Mudbray is gonna make Rockruff run for its money a.k.a. become a tough opponent. Quite stupid to have the puppy curbstomp it without any tension or struggle in the battle.
I presume then you didn't watch the first two battles between Ash and Sawyer. What happened in those battles? Absolute curbstomps.
But this isn't Ash vs. Sawyer. This Ash vs. Hiroki--or, to be more specific, Ash's Rockruff vs. Hiroki's Mudbray. There is absolutely nothing to indicate this is going to be a curbstomp battle.I don't even know why you are comparing this to Ash vs. Sawyer in the first place.The focus of this battle appears to be Rockruff and its development, so I have a feeling this is not going to be an easy, sweeping win for Rockruff.
satohaupika was saying that curbstomps are unlikely to happen, so I reminded him of Ash vs Sawyer. And the the summary heavily implies that Rockruff will curbstomp Mudbray- 'claim victory in an instant with Z-move'. Plus the scan also shows Rockruff using Z-move on Mudbray. So, I think it's pretty much evident that Rockruff wins quickly with its Z-move.
345ash-greninja said:And the focus of this episode is Pikachu vs Tapu Koko.
Quit bringing XY into this. That is NO comparison!I presume then you didn't watch the first two battles between Ash and Sawyer. What happened in those battles? Absolute curbstomps.
I wasn't talking about curbstomps not existing at all or unlikely to happen. I said, it's stupid for Rockruff to get a curbstomp battle. And why should it? It's not confirmed it'll beat Mudbray but it'll most likely win. You're reading too much into the "Claim victory with a Z move" bit. It sounds more like a thing to say when talking about how strong Z moves are but a Pokémon doesn't immediately faint when hit by one (like how Pikachu didn't faint despite getting hit by Hariyama's Z move). Sounds more like you want to pick a fight with me after so long. U_Usatohaupika was saying that curbstomps are unlikely to happen, so I reminded him of Ash vs Sawyer.
Yes it has. I was referring to previous curbstomps that happened.Ash vs. Sawyer still has nothing to do with this match, or with satoharupika's point.
I think that the summary is pretty much a confirmation that Rockruff wins easily with a Z-move. I have no idea why the summary will be misleading regarding a random battle like this. It could be the other way around, but honestly I don't think so."Claim victory in an instant with a Z-move!" Honestly, that sounds more like a command, rather than a definitive statement of what happens. I'm not saying you're definitely wrong, but you might not be right, either. Also, even if Rockruff does defeat Mudbray with a Z-move, that doesn't make this battle a curbstomp. It depends on when Rockruff uses the Z-move.
Well, that was my point.I said, "The focus of this battle appears to be Rockruff." I said nothing about the entire episode. I'm well aware the focus of this episode is Ash's rematch with Tapu Koko.
Why? I was just giving some examples of previous curbstomps because it see like you were saying that curbstomps are unlikely to happen.Quit bringing XY into this. That is NO comparison!
Nice to know that.And yes, I have seen those battles.
Whatever, but seeing the summary, I have a strong feeling it will be a curbstomp. Whether curbstomps are right or not is a different thing.Rockruff is trying to get stronger, we haven't even seen it battle on screen yet. A curbstomp isn't the best way to win, it's stupid and doesn't make a basic Pokémon look nor seem strong. The battle is almost pointless if there is no built up tension nor struggle from either side. Rockruff isn't an experienced brawler, it's still a novice. Let it have an actual battle.
Well, but Haryama was promptly sent flying out of the battling arena and KO'd by Pikachu's Z-move. Z-moves are tankable some times, not all the times.I wasn't talking about curbstomps not existing at all or unlikely to happen. I said, it's stupid for Rockruff to get a curbstomp battle. And why should it? It's not confirmed it'll beat Mudbray but it'll most likely win. You're reading too much into the "Claim victory with a Z move" bit. It sounds more like a thing to say when talking about how strong Z moves are but a Pokémon doesn't immediately faint when hit by one (like how Pikachu didn't faint despite getting hit by Hariyama's Z move). Sounds more like you want to pick a fight with me after so long. U_U
I'm also thinking the Abareru kun vs Ash battle is a separate episode from the Ash vs Tapu Koko battle. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes it has. I was referring to previous curbstomps that happened.
I think that the summary is pretty much a confirmation that Rockruff wins easily with a Z-move. I have no idea why the summary will be misleading regarding a random battle like this. It could be the other way around, but honestly I don't think so.
Why? I was just giving some examples of previous curbstomps because it see like you were saying that curbstomps are unlikely to happen.
Whatever, but seeing the summary, I have a strong feeling it will be a curbstomp. Whether curbstomps are right or not is a different thing.
Well, but Haryama was promptly sent flying out of the battling arena and KO'd by Pikachu's Z-move. Z-moves are tankable some times, not all the times.
I'm also thinking the Abareru kun vs Ash battle is a separate episode from the Ash vs Tapu Koko battle. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Question since this seems like it hasn't been brought up yet what move set do you think Hiroki's Mudbray will have?
Mudbray can learn the following moves:
Moves learned through level up:
Ground: Mud Slap, Mud Sport, Rototiller, Bulldoze, High Horsepower, Earthquake
Fighting: Double Kick, Counter, Superpower
Normal: Stomp, Bide, Mega Kick
Steel: Iron Defense, Heavy Slam
Moves learned through TM:
Ground: Earthquake, Bulldoze
Poison: Toxic
Normal: Hidden Power, Protect, Frustration, Return, Double Team, Façade, Attract, Round, Swagger, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Confide
Rock: Sandstorm, Rock Tomb, Rock Slide
Fighting: Low Sweep
Psychic: Rest
Dark: Payback
Egg Moves:
Normal: Body Slam, Double Edge
Ground: Magnitude, Mud Bomb
Fighting: Close Combat
I think that the summary is pretty much a confirmation that Rockruff wins easily with a Z-move. I have no idea why the summary will be misleading regarding a random battle like this. It could be the other way around, but honestly I don't think so.
Whatever, but seeing the summary, I have a strong feeling it will be a curbstomp. Whether curbstomps are right or not is a different thing.
A celebrity cameo is also exactly the kind of thing they can cover and give huge attention to like this even if the scene just ends up lasting two minutes and Hiroki has 5 lines of dialogue.
Is there no reason why it can't be a good battle that lasts a few minutes that ends with Rockruff winning?
Personally, I'm expecting Mudbray's Stamina ability to go into effect after a few Tackles and Bites from Rockruff, then Mudbray to gain the upper hand, and for Rockruff to ultimately win with Breakneck Blitz.
What's this? Ash getting a Pokemon that was heavily promoted during the waiting period for a Generation? Color me surprised.
Well, you could probably rule out Earthquake since it hasn't been seen in the anime for over ten years now, and probably Magnitude as well. Bulldoze has a fair chance though, seeing as Clemont's Heliolisk was allowed to use it.
Anime =/= games.The problem I'm having is a bit of realism. I know I shouldn't compare, but Rockruff can't last a single hit from a Mudbray, be it Bulldoze or Double Kick. I can see Mudbray taking hit upon hit and Stamina activating, but there's a bit of a suspension of disbelief to assume that Rockruff will be able to actually take the hits that the Mudbray will deal. I mean Mudbray is pretty much the Anti-Rock-critter from GenVII, with pretty much only Ground, Fighting and Steel-type moves. This is literally the worst match-up Ash could pick, only Pikachu has worse odds considering its not effective and weak to Ground.
I think the last time we had a celebrity cameo like this was during one of the movie filming episodes (I think in XY?) except it wasn't promoted like this one.
Don't forget, this is the same anime where a Serperior was taken out with one Electro Ball from a Pikachu and a Scyther was taken out with one Vine Whip from a Bulbasaur (no, I don't buy that BS excuse that Double Team lowers your defense, and no, I don't care that that is pretty much ancient history). We've seen Roxie's Koffing and Elesa's Tynamo as speed demons. Stats mean absolutely nothing in the anime. So I don't think it's too unbelievable that Rockruff could tank a couple hits from Mudbray.