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March 23rd: SM19 - Intense Electric Shock Training! A Rematch with Kapu-Kokeko!!

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AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."
I think the last time we had a celebrity cameo like this was during one of the movie filming episodes (I think in XY?) except it wasn't promoted like this one.

Yes. The Pikachu movie short episode.

It's kind of sad they don't promote one of the biggest VA contributors over a show host...

GenIV: Lucario? Nope.
GenV: Zoroark? Nope.
GenVI: Phantump? NOPE!
GenVII: Lycanroc? FINALLY!

Lucario was such a tease, but unfortunately, there were too many people owning one that it would be repetitive with Ash having one. (I'm expecting them to make changes to a certain SM character just to shove Lucario down our throats again...) That Riolu episode in Sinnoh just SCREAMED Ash getting one. (Then Iris suffered that syndrome multiple times).

Zoroark pretty much failed after its movie was over. Not even anime!N had a Zorua. The hell?

Phantump... Wait, why is Phantump popular?

We're not at Lycanroc yet, sadly...
 

Golden_Latias

#SlayQueenSlay
The problem I'm having is a bit of realism. I know I shouldn't compare, but Rockruff can't last a single hit from a Mudbray, be it Bulldoze or Double Kick. I can see Mudbray taking hit upon hit and Stamina activating, but there's a bit of a suspension of disbelief to assume that Rockruff will be able to actually take the hits that the Mudbray will deal. I mean Mudbray is pretty much the Anti-Rock-critter from GenVII, with pretty much only Ground, Fighting and Steel-type moves. This is literally the worst match-up Ash could pick, only Pikachu has worse odds considering its not effective and weak to Ground.
Anime =/= games.

Don't forget, this is the same anime where a Serperior was taken out with one Electro Ball from a Pikachu and a Scyther was taken out with one Vine Whip from a Bulbasaur (no, I don't buy that BS excuse that Double Team lowers your defense, and no, I don't care that that is pretty much ancient history). We've seen Roxie's Koffing and Elesa's Tynamo as speed demons. Stats mean absolutely nothing in the anime. So I don't think it's too unbelievable that Rockruff could tank a couple hits from Mudbray.
 

Dephender

Gizakawayusu
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I think the last time we had a celebrity cameo like this was during one of the movie filming episodes (I think in XY?) except it wasn't promoted like this one.

The only actual celebrity cameo we've had in the actual show before was when Sachiko Kobayashi played the mom WAY back in OS34. I assume that got promoted decently back then too.

Beyond that, such stunt casting is more of a movie thing.
 

Satomine Night

The Power of Z!
Don't forget, this is the same anime where a Serperior was taken out with one Electro Ball from a Pikachu and a Scyther was taken out with one Vine Whip from a Bulbasaur (no, I don't buy that BS excuse that Double Team lowers your defense, and no, I don't care that that is pretty much ancient history). We've seen Roxie's Koffing and Elesa's Tynamo as speed demons. Stats mean absolutely nothing in the anime. So I don't think it's too unbelievable that Rockruff could tank a couple hits from Mudbray.

Locormus does have a point, though, in that Mudbray has a strong advantage against Rockruff, both in typing and in possible moveset. Combine the right moveset with Mudbray's Stamina ability turning it into a damage-absorbing tank, and Rockruff could have a hard time (which is why I highly doubt this is going to be a curbstomp battle). However, I don't think that means Rockruff won't be able to take a few hits from Mudbray.

Besides, Rockruff is now under the guidance of Ash "Screw Types Advantages" Ketchum. I could see Rockruff gaining the upper hand if Ash uses the puppy's speed to his advantage. Even though the anime seems to ignore doesn't always take into account Pokémon stats, Mudbray is still supposed to be 12 times Rockruff's weight. Unless the writers take into account the running speed of real-life donkeys vs. real-life dogs (donkeys are faster), then Rockruff is probably going to be faster than Mudbray just because of the weight difference.

For the record, I still think Rockruff will win. Emerging victorious even in the face of logic/physics/whatever is another one of Ash's specialties, after all.
 

Golden_Latias

#SlayQueenSlay
I don't think it's going to be a curbstomp, though...
 

mystic9899

Pokemon fan
i'd be pretty impressed if rockruff curbstomped in its first trainer battle with ash lol. i expect it to win, but not easily. but i wonder if they're gonna put more focus on this battle or the one with tapu koko (probably the latter).
 

Satomine Night

The Power of Z!
i'd be pretty impressed if rockruff curbstomped in its first trainer battle with ash lol. i expect it to win, but not easily. but i wonder if they're gonna put more focus on this battle or the one with tapu koko (probably the latter).

Probably the battle against Tapu Koko, since that's the one in the title. I wouldn't be surprised if the episode opens with the Rockruff vs. Mudbray battle, jumping right into the middle of it.
 

Golden_Latias

#SlayQueenSlay
Probably the battle against Tapu Koko, since that's the one in the title. I wouldn't be surprised if the episode opens with the Rockruff vs. Mudbray battle, jumping right into the middle of it.
That's actually what I expect to happen. Then maybe two or three minutes dedicated to the battle.
 

345ash-greninja

Auto-Memories Doll
Literally only one person here believes it's a curbstomp.
Um, no. I think another guy has a slight belief on it:
i'd be pretty impressed if rockruff curbstomped in its first trainer battle with ash lol. i expect it to win, but not easily. but i wonder if they're gonna put more focus on this battle or the one with tapu koko (probably the latter).

And like mystic9899, I would be pretty impressed with a curbstomp in Rovkruff's first battle with Ash, if Rockruff's Z-move is shown in a pretty dazzling way xD. And I do expect it to be a short lived battle(because of the summary and the fact that it's a celebrity cameo), and majority of the focus going to the Pikachu vs Tapu Koko battle.
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
If Rockruff's fight with the horse is short, then that better be a quick easy win to show off Rockruff's strength.
I still don't like that they're doing a rematch with Tapu Koko this early...... at least let Ash catch Litten and develop his team some more first. He doesn't stand a chance against it right now.

GenIV: Lucario? Nope.
GenV: Zoroark? Nope.
GenVI: Phantump? NOPE!
GenVII: Lycanroc? FINALLY!

Phantump? Wat? I love Phantump, but he's not that Pokemon from generation six. That was Espurr/Meowstic, and Sylveon I suppose.
 

Golden_Latias

#SlayQueenSlay
Um, no. I think another guy has a slight belief on it:


And like mystic9899, I would be pretty impressed with a curbstomp in Rovkruff's first battle with Ash, if Rockruff's Z-move is shown in a pretty dazzling way xD. And I do expect it to be a short lived battle(because of the summary and the fact that it's a celebrity cameo), and majority of the focus going to the Pikachu vs Tapu Koko battle.
...He literally says in his post that he expects Rockruff to win, but not easily. He's saying he doesn't expect a curbstomp, but would be impressed if it happened.
 

Satomine Night

The Power of Z!
And like mystic9899, I would be pretty impressed with a curbstomp in Rovkruff's first battle with Ash, if Rockruff's Z-move is shown in a pretty dazzling way xD. And I do expect it to be a short lived battle(because of the summary and the fact that it's a celebrity cameo), and majority of the focus going to the Pikachu vs Tapu Koko battle.

What does the celebrity cameo have to do with the length of the battle?

Also, as I mentioned in the earlier post, the summary line "Claim victory in an instant with a Z-move!" is written in the imperative tense, I believe, so it reads as more of a command (to Ash and/or Rockruff), rather than a confirmation of instant victory. I'm not saying that Rockruff won't win the battle with Breakneck Blitz, but I highly doubt this is going to be a curbstomp battle, unless Ash starts off the battle with a Z-move.
 

345ash-greninja

Auto-Memories Doll
...He literally says in his post that he expects Rockruff to win, but not easily. He's saying he doesn't expect a curbstomp, but would be impressed if it happened.
That's why I said he has a slight belief.
What does the celebrity cameo have to do with the length of the battle?
Celebrity cameos are actually very short lived.

Also, as I mentioned in the earlier post, the summary line "Claim victory in an instant with a Z-move!" is written in the imperative tense, I believe, so it reads as more of a command (to Ash and/or Rockruff), rather than a confirmation of instant victory. I'm not saying that Rockruff won't win the battle with Breakneck Blitz, but I highly doubt this is going to be a curbstomp battle, unless Ash starts off the battle with a Z-move.

It could be a command as well, but the fact that it's mentioned in the summary makes me think that it would be a thumping victory for Rockruff+the scan convinces me more. I'd just say now that lets wait and see what happens!
 
The only actual celebrity cameo we've had in the actual show before was when Sachiko Kobayashi played the mom WAY back in OS34. I assume that got promoted decently back then too.

Beyond that, such stunt casting is more of a movie thing.
Wouldn't Tomohisa Sako's self-insert in the first Kalos League match count? Although he didn't voice him so he wouldn't technically be a cast but a cameo also Ikue Ohtani from the Pikachu: The Movie episode with the Cosplay rodents?
 

mystic9899

Pokemon fan
it's fun seeing cameo appearances from people like abareru-kun in the anime. i hope we get to see more of these kinds of cameos in the future.
 

Dephender

Gizakawayusu
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Moderator
Wouldn't Tomohisa Sako's self-insert in the first Kalos League match count? Although he didn't voice him so he wouldn't technically be a cast but a cameo also Ikue Ohtani from the Pikachu: The Movie episode with the Cosplay rodents?

Modeling a characters after someone else isn't a "celebrity cameo", it's just an easter egg. The reason they're making a big deal out of this is that it's actually Abareru-kun the real person appearing in the anime.
 

Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
Lucario was such a tease, but unfortunately, there were too many people owning one that it would be repetitive with Ash having one. (I'm expecting them to make changes to a certain SM character just to shove Lucario down our throats again...) That Riolu episode in Sinnoh just SCREAMED Ash getting one. (Then Iris suffered that syndrome multiple times).

Zoroark pretty much failed after its movie was over. Not even anime!N had a Zorua. The hell?

Phantump... Wait, why is Phantump popular?

We're not at Lycanroc yet, sadly...

Lol about Iris suffering the same syndrome.. Dat Deino-episode was a horror to watch.

Zoroark, yes.. That thing should've been central to the plot in Episode N, but it just got hamfisted into a Da!-filler (probably the worst one).

Phantump.. Well.. a few reasons why I named it..
- 1. Personal Bias: I really like it.
- 2. Opportunity: Ash had an opening in his team and no Grass-type.
- 3. Utility: With most of his team having a super-effective move against Grass, a Forest's Curse would help Aerial Ace, Flying Press, X-scissor, Acrobatics, Brave Bird and Flame Charge do more damage.
- 4. Uniqueness: It would've been Ash's first official Ghost-type.
- 5. Specificity: There was a shiny one... That wanted to see more of the world.. Yet it didn't happen.. -.-

Lycanroc. Well, I can't see them keeping it a Rockruff to be honest, Accelerock is just made for Ash to abuse. Or they could and I could be wrong. That being said, I can't see them giving Ash two quadrapeds as well, so either Midday and Incineroar, or Midnight and Torracat/Incineroar. Though I kinda just want Midday and Torracat, but I can accept Incineroar being on Ash's team considering the backstory this thing is getting.

Phantump? Wat? I love Phantump, but he's not that Pokemon from generation six. That was Espurr/Meowstic, and Sylveon I suppose.

I listed why I mentioned Phantump, but I don't necessarily see it as being in the same "group". I was more or less listing the pokémon from GenIV-VII that I at first thought had a chance/were teased, yet didn't happen. I 100% legit wasn't an Auraholic, but when that Ranger-episode happened, I definitely thought there was a possibility. If anything, Zoroark probably shouldn't be on this list, as I never expected Ash to get one.

Definitely not Meowstic though.. Probably just Sylveon.

Anime =/= games.

Don't forget, this is the same anime where a Serperior was taken out with one Electro Ball from a Pikachu and a Scyther was taken out with one Vine Whip from a Bulbasaur (no, I don't buy that BS excuse that Double Team lowers your defense, and no, I don't care that that is pretty much ancient history). We've seen Roxie's Koffing and Elesa's Tynamo as speed demons. Stats mean absolutely nothing in the anime. So I don't think it's too unbelievable that Rockruff could tank a couple hits from Mudbray.

Literally the first thing I said in that post was: "I know I shouldn't compare", implying Animé =/= Games, so nothing is forgotten.

But on the one hand, we're all talking about a game-mechanic that works for Mudbray's statistical advantage, yet we are supposed to ignore the basis of what that mechanic is influencing (the stats) when I'm discussing Rockruff. "With every hit, Mudbray's defenses toughen up because of its Stamina-ability! But lets not talk about Rockruff's defensive stat and whether it should be able to take super-effective hits.."

So besides the way that the mechanic for stats work in the games, which is an entirely different thing altogether, I concede, there's also a disconnect between what we feel is an acceptable degree of talking about that mechanic for one of the combatants. In essence: Talking about Mudbray boosting its defensive stat via ability is okay, but discussing Rockruff's defensive stat vs. super-effective moves is a big no-no. That's weird, counterintuitive and the bit of lack of realism (for as far that's possible in an animé) that I was mentioning.

Honestly, the way you're phrasing your dissent with the Double Team-excuse from back when some people on here weren't even born, makes me feel you agree with me more then you disagree..

I don't want to see "VGC: The Animé", but when I'm seeing a Shuckle, I assume it will take a few hits. When I see a Rockruff vs. AntiRock-Donkey, I assume it won't be able to last long if the nature of the battle is going to be "draw it out to showcase an element of the AntiRock-Donkey".
 

Cat's Eye Draco

Well-Known Member
Phantump.. Well.. a few reasons why I named it..
- 1. Personal Bias: I really like it.
- 2. Opportunity: Ash had an opening in his team and no Grass-type.
- 3. Utility: With most of his team having a super-effective move against Grass, a Forest's Curse would help Aerial Ace, Flying Press, X-scissor, Acrobatics, Brave Bird and Flame Charge do more damage.
- 4. Uniqueness: It would've been Ash's first official Ghost-type.
- 5. Specificity: There was a shiny one... That wanted to see more of the world.. Yet it didn't happen.. -.-

Not to mention that Phantump/Trevenant can learn will-o-wisp, which is usually depicted as a multicolored/ghostly version of flamethrower in the anime.

For the most part, I think the Phantump craze came from the fact that up until XY, Ash always caught at least one grass type a series, and every other Kalos option (Gogoat, Gorgeist, etc.) seemed to have been passed up. Therefore, Phantump/Trevenant became the "obvious" choice for his final slot.
 

Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
Okay, moving away from my own tangents..

If you saw my post in the nonfiller-list thread, you would know that I assume that we're still in initial phase of SM. There's been a running plot for Rockruff, Litten and Tapu Koko (and maybe Team Skull) - and I believe that when these are finished we will see Ash travel the region more. So what I'm wondering is whether this episode concludes the Tapu Koko-plot (at least for its Melemele's story: judging Ash) or if there will be a need for another episode to conclude it.*

Because if the former is the case, then we only need to see Ash capture Litten and perhaps to see Team Skull set-up in a greater capacity, as in an introduction of Plumeria for instance, before there's nothing left set-up on Melemele and Ash is "free" to move on to Akala.

*This is assuming we will see Tapu Koko again in some capacity, but in a different narrative yet unrevealed. The current narrative is whether Tapu Koko judges Ash to be worthy.
 
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