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Marvel Universe Discussion Thread - **SPOILER WARNING** (movies, shows, etc.)

1rkhachatryan

Call me Robert guys
Am I the only one who doesn't care at all about the new Loki show?? Honestly I love Tom Hiddleston but I really don't like Loki as a character. If they would just make him a hero I would care about we all know he's going to cause some drama so meh.
 

Storm the Lycanroc

Oshawott Squad
Out of all the movies coming out I'd say Eternals is the one I'm least interested in. Granted we haven't seen any official trailers or information about why we should care. But the same could be said about the Guardians of the Galaxy a few years ago. Now they're one of the most beloved superhero teams in the MCU.
 
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Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
Am I the only one who doesn't care at all about the new Loki show?? Honestly I love Tom Hiddleston but I really don't like Loki as a character. If they would just make him a hero I would care about we all know he's going to cause some drama so meh.

Well this is preDarkWorld-Loki. So he hasn't had character arc we've seen him get in Thor2, Thor3 and the beginning of IW. So of course he's going to cause drama. He's the God of mischief for Pete's sake.

It's about how the drama's going to unfold that I'm interested in and how it will ripple through the MCU (if any).

Out of all the movies coming out I'd say Eternals is the one I'm least interested in. Granted we haven't seen any official trailers or information about why we should care. But the same could be said about the Guardians of the Galaxy a few years ago. Now they're one of the most beloved superhero teams in the MCU.

For now that's Shang-Chi for me, maybe even No Way Home since the Sony-arrangement always casts some doubt as to how they'll handle things.

I mean I'm hyped for Shang-Chi moreso for the real Mandarin then anything else. Hoping for an Antman reference since both are SF native. While the Eternals are literal gods among men. The ties to the broader MCU are something to really look forward to (also, where were they during Endgame?!). Zhao's also a very good director so the visuals will be great and I'm hyped to see Angelina go ham.

In terms of hype, for me it goes:
- DoctorStrange2: I mean come on. Multiverse of MADNESS.
- Eternals: See above.
- BlackWidow: Mostly because I want to go to the movietheatre so badly.
- NoWayHome: DocOck, Electro, Vulture, Scorpion, Tobey/Andrew?! Hello!
- Shang-Chi: Still looks good though.

Stuff like the Marvels, Wakanda Forever, Antman3 and GotG Vol3 haven't started filming yet, so I'm not counting those, but it's evident that Wakanda Forever has the biggest interest pull.

Shout out to Let There Be Carnage. Trailer looked dope.
 

1rkhachatryan

Call me Robert guys
Well this is preDarkWorld-Loki. So he hasn't had character arc we've seen him get in Thor2, Thor3 and the beginning of IW. So of course he's going to cause drama. He's the God of mischief for Pete's sake.

It's about how the drama's going to unfold that I'm interested in and how it will ripple through the MCU (if any).



For now that's Shang-Chi for me, maybe even No Way Home since the Sony-arrangement always casts some doubt as to how they'll handle things.

I mean I'm hyped for Shang-Chi moreso for the real Mandarin then anything else. Hoping for an Antman reference since both are SF native. While the Eternals are literal gods among men. The ties to the broader MCU are something to really look forward to (also, where were they during Endgame?!). Zhao's also a very good director so the visuals will be great and I'm hyped to see Angelina go ham.

In terms of hype, for me it goes:
- DoctorStrange2: I mean come on. Multiverse of MADNESS.
- Eternals: See above.
- BlackWidow: Mostly because I want to go to the movietheatre so badly.
- NoWayHome: DocOck, Electro, Vulture, Scorpion, Tobey/Andrew?! Hello!
- Shang-Chi: Still looks good though.

Stuff like the Marvels, Wakanda Forever, Antman3 and GotG Vol3 haven't started filming yet, so I'm not counting those, but it's evident that Wakanda Forever has the biggest interest pull.

Shout out to Let There Be Carnage. Trailer looked dope.

Exactly lol. That's why I'm not interested, I've seen the evil Loki literally my entire childhood and I don't care about him. If it was like Thor 3 Loki sure I would watch.
 

Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
Exactly lol. That's why I'm not interested, I've seen the evil Loki literally my entire childhood and I don't care about him. If it was like Thor 3 Loki sure I would watch.

Fair play then. :)
 

Nyter

Island Challenger
Am I the only one who doesn't care at all about the new Loki show?? Honestly I love Tom Hiddleston but I really don't like Loki as a character. If they would just make him a hero I would care about we all know he's going to cause some drama so meh.
You are not. I am going to watch it because, like you, I am a loyal Marvel fan, but I do not see Loki as a character that warrants his own series. But, If the MCU manages to astonish me with this the way I was content with The Falcon and The Winter Soldier's finale, then I will later readact my comment. I just feel that Loki, as a character, is dependent of Thor.
 

Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
You are not. I am going to watch it because, like you, I am a loyal Marvel fan, but I do not see Loki as a character that warrants his own series. But, If the MCU manages to astonish me with this the way I was content with The Falcon and The Winter Soldier's finale, then I will later readact my comment. I just feel that Loki, as a character, is dependent of Thor.

Is he though?

In a way, Thor/Loki reminds me of Japanese plays where you have the straight guy and the dumbass. In which Loki is the dumbass that provides the story with forwards momentum. On the other hand, in many ways Thor is the dumbass in this situation because he's such a dimwit half of the time.

That being said, I don't think Loki needs Thor. I honestly think Thor needs Loki, but not the other way around.

Here's why:
- Thor in Age of Ultron: Boring.
- Thor in Infinity War? Best moments were with Loki at the beginning and when coming back to avenge Thanos in Wakanda. The scenes with the Guardians are funny because of Chris Pratt reacting to the change in atmosphere.
- Thor in Endgame? Boring, but a good depiction of depression.

Without Loki, Thor is just a strong ally. He's one of my favorite characters because of his story-arc, but he simply doesn't work as well without Loki. Thor needs Loki to give him a sense of direction.

Loki doesn't need Thor because he sets everybody offbalance. Just look at his interactions with RDJ and Jeff Goldblum.

Maybe I'm defending this too hard. In any case, it's less then three weeks away now and then we'll see how he'll do. :)
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
Loki can definitely carry his own show and deserves to, I just wish it was the real Loki. Them killing him and bringing back in a younger version feels cheap, especially since they did that stunt with Gamora. (I swear Dr. Strange 2 better bring back Quicksilver seeing how Vision and Gamora are back, he deserved time to shine! They both had theirs, I feel bad for the actor whenever people demand the X-Men one be the canon one. Avengers' Quicksilver didn't even get a chance! )
 

Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
Loki can definitely carry his own show and deserves to, I just wish it was the real Loki. Them killing him and bringing back in a younger version feels cheap, especially since they did that stunt with Gamora. (I swear Dr. Strange 2 better bring back Quicksilver seeing how Vision and Gamora are back, he deserved time to shine! They both had theirs, I feel bad for the actor whenever people demand the X-Men one be the canon one. Avengers' Quicksilver didn't even get a chance! )

It would feel cheap though to bring characters back the entire time. The Infinity Stones are gone in the universe now. So I'm fine with how they brought back Gamora and Loki was literally the only time they could.

*Is the Tesseract/Space-stone gone if Loki brings it with him to the current timeline though? In any case, he needs to fix the imbalance it has caused to that timeline he took it from (which I guess is what this Loki-series will build towards). That being said, I'm not sure if he will end up staying in the current post-Endgame timeline (if he even ever visits it).

Also, wouldn't there be another imbalance in that timeline since Gamora is gone while the other Guardians are not? But I guess since the Snap never happened there I guess the endresult is sort of the same (the threat of Thanos has been removed from both timelines). Except that that timeline doesn't have a Nebula anymore and the current timeline has a Gamora. Peter will have never met Gamora as well, so maybe no Guardians in that timeline. Oh and will not have old man cap as early as 2025 and Tony will keep on living in that timeline. So quite different for quite some characters. But that's a whole different timeline to worry about..

Vision is a droid. It's kind of wonky how they did it because the WandaVision 'Vision' only existed in the Hex, but I can suspend disbelief and accept that 'chaos magic' did the trick long enough to allow a passing of what's essentially just data to go from a Hex'd up Vision into a blank canvas 'real'-Vision.
 

Storm the Lycanroc

Oshawott Squad
So the trailer for Eternals released a few days ago and I have no idea who any of these characters are. My biggest worry is that it has so many each character wont get proper screentime. But that's just my speculation and we'll have to see how the film does upon release.

I'm eagerly waiting for more details on Spider-Man: No Way Home. If Doctor Octopus is really the one from Spider-Man 2 (2004) I wanna see how this ties into the multiverse and Dr. Strange's role in the film. Granted each of the Tom Holland films has had a mentor figure for him: Tony Stark (Homecoming) and Nick Fury (Far From Home). So it makes sense Dr. Strange will fulfill that role in No Way Home.
 

Dragalge

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Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
So the trailer for Eternals released a few days ago and I have no idea who any of these characters are. My biggest worry is that it has so many each character wont get proper screentime. But that's just my speculation and we'll have to see how the film does upon release.

I'm eagerly waiting for more details on Spider-Man: No Way Home. If Doctor Octopus is really the one from Spider-Man 2 (2004) I wanna see how this ties into the multiverse and Dr. Strange's role in the film. Granted each of the Tom Holland films has had a mentor figure for him: Tony Stark (Homecoming) and Nick Fury (Far From Home). So it makes sense Dr. Strange will fulfill that role in No Way Home.

It's basically an ensemble-movie. Yes, some are going to have to take a backseat. There's ten Eternals and Kit Harington's character as well. And probably a badguys (the Deviants). What they kind of need to do is like what they did with Infinity War: break-up the squad and focus on the emotional hooks as a storythread.

I only know the Eternals from what I've been fed by YouTube-outlets like NewRockstars and EmergencyAwesome, so I don't know who allies with who in the general terms, but from the trailer I can tell the following:

1. Druig seems like he's not really singing the same tune as the other Eternals.
2. Sersi, Ikaris are a couple, but with Kit Harington's Dane Whitman it becomes a love-triangle. Sersi is described by Feige as the lead.
3. Thena and Gilgamesh are partners in exile from the other Eternals.

So I assume these 3 'groups' will have to overcome some inter-Eternal conflict.
4. Kingo, Sprite: I think that Kingo might have some conflict with Druig (one likes attention the other opposes the thought) and I think Sprite will be the one trying to glue everyone together again.
5. Phastos, Makkari: I may be wrong, but these seem to have the least amount of story connected to them and feel like very basic types of characters: the fast one, the tech-guy. I'm not saying they can't be important, but I don't see them influencing the story much. Maybe one or two critical moments, but that's about it.
6. Ajak: It's Selma Hayek. It's the spiritual leader of the group, so I guess it could be in a similar capacity like the Ancient One in DoctorStrange. I can see her being important, but the story isn't going to revolve around her all that much.

Basically this:
- Eternals arrive on Earth. Druig brings up to Ajak that they're interfering too much. This leads to conflict within the group. And they all go their own ways.
- Druig does his own thing in seclusion, Sersi and Ikaris have their thing, Thena and Gilgamesh have their own thing, Kingo becomes a Bollywood-star. Phastos influence tech-companies, Sprite remains relatively close to Ajak. I don't know what Makkari does.
- Ajak gets a memo from the Celestials that something is about to go down. Gets Sprite to get the 'band back together'.
- This then basically becomes a kind of Guardians of the Galaxy-road movie.
- Druig isn't having any of it though.
- Generic plot ensues, maybe Druig allies with Deviants (like Loki and the Chitauri).

I could be wrong though.

Get ready for Kraven the Hunter! ...in a not-MCU movie


Which instantly kills my buzz for a Kraven-movie. Wish we could've gotten an actor that wasn't already in the MCU before (in a visible role), I mean Gemma Chan was covered in blue and almost inrecognizable compared to Minerva.
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
lol I knew the villain would be another Loki once they pointed out the devil picture. I bet it's the female Loki considering they didn't show the antagonist's face

Honestly I have no interest in these Sony films that feature Spider-Man villians but dont have Spider-Man himself in them.
He's literally my number one favorite hero but I don't care about his villains getting a movie lol
It's like Kraven debuting in Black Panther first like the director wanted, no thank you. Let Kraven debut in Peter's movie and THEN have him appear in Wakanda, don't give Peter sloppy seconds of somebody else's foe. That is a problem Miles had before the current run actually bothered to make him his own rogues gallery!

Why do I care about Venom if Spider-Man didn't set him up? And why does he look like THAT if Spidey didn't bond with it? Why do I care about Carnage if I don't get to see Peter and Eddie setting their differences aside to kick Carnage's butt?
Kraven and Mysterio have been on my list for well over a decade, I always wanted to seem them fight PETER. I got Mysterio thankfully but I don't wanna see Kraven chasing after some nobody lol

Morbius too, man it's cool that he gets to appear in a movie but why a solo outing? lol
I'm glad they canned Silver Sable and Black Cat's, if you wanna give a female led movie do Silk! If they want to make separate movies at least do something interesting like Silk, Spider-Gwen/Ghost Spider or 2099. I'd like to see Silk in a proper Spider-Man film(And love interest cause 'MJ' is BORING! Hope she gets the Gwen treatment, Gwen didn't deserve that) but she could at least carry one film. Can't even say they're just trying to appeal to casuals cause Mobius' only role was in the 90's cartoon and then a very brief arc in the Ultimate cartoon, Kraven and Venom are in everything pretty much
 

Locormus

Can we please get the older, old forum back?
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So..

We've seen four episodes of Loki and nobody has bothered to write a post about it..
- And it isn't perfect, but isn't all that bad either.
We've also had an epic new Shang-Chi-trailer.. and nobody has bothered to talk about it..
BlackWidow reviews are coming in, but nobody is talking about it..

Is anybody going to see BlackWidow in theatres? I know I am. :p

Honestly I have no interest in these Sony films that feature Spider-Man villians but dont have Spider-Man himself in them.

I can understand that, but the Venom-movie was at least pretty decent. It's just a shame that the SpiderVerse-characters have a very small chance of ever appearing in the main MCU.

I'm honestly still looking forward to Venom II and Morbius. I never had as much interest in Kraven as a kid and thought he'd fit better in the MCU with a Wakanda-storyline with the new BP and Storm. And with ATJ playing him, it's pretty much confirmed he'll never walk into the MCU.

I mean there's a difference between playing a sidekick to the main villain covered in blue facepaint and then playing a lead character in an ensemble-movie, but with your natural skin complexion - and being Quicksilver in an Avengers-movie, that has an heroic death, and then playing an iconic villain. Same with Oscar Isaac and MoonKnight. Yes he played Apocalyps, but he was covered in prosthetics (and the FoxMen-Verse is pretty much dead anyway). The only weird thing there is that MoonKnight also has Egyptian roots.
 
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Nyter

Island Challenger
Edit:

So..

We've seen four episodes of Loki and nobody has bothered to write a post about it..
- And it isn't perfect, but isn't all that bad either.
We've also had an epic new Shang-Chi-trailer.. and nobody has bothered to talk about it..
BlackWidow reviews are coming in, but nobody is talking about it..

Is anybody going to see BlackWidow in theatres? I know I am. :p
- I saw the new Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings trailer. I really really am digging the visuals and I hope they do it justice. I have never really been knowledgeable of Shang-Chi in the comics but I really value cultural representation and find this will do for the Asian Community as Black Panther did for the African Community in having portrayed a superhero one can relate to ethnically.

- I will actually be ordering Black Widow on Disney Plus Premier Access. I usually never order anything on Premier Access and usually the movies are out within 3 months of release on Disney Plus itself, but I am a major Marvel fan and am still holding out that we will have some Endgame post-event of what will happen to Black Widow within the movie (perhaps end credits scene?). Similar to what was done in Captain Marvel movie where the whole movie was what occurred in the 90s and the end credits scene showed how she enters the Infinity War-Endgame events.

- Again... I stated before Loki to me isn't a character I found interesting to have his own movie or series. But, Loki the series itself is very interesting. Funny because I still stand by my statement as Loki really does not give me that high peak interest in the whole series and some of his character seems off (like how he reacted when what occurred with Mobius happened in episode. 4... I mean he JUST met the guy). What makes the series very cool to me is the entire Cinematic adaptation of the Time Variamce Authority and the Time-Keepers. I love fact checking cinematic adaptations from what was portrayed in comics and seeing how well (or sometimes not well) things were done. The mid-credits scene for ep. 4 was definitely a brow-raiser for me and if they continue to head in this direction where we will be met with surprise cameos (again ep. 4) or flashbacks that interject well with the series, I will be pleased with the end-result of the whole series. I think, in the end, the series is trying too hard to make Loki a hero when he in fact has done well as a dastardly villain.
I can understand that, but the Venom-movie was at least pretty decent. It's just a shame that the SpiderVerse-characters have a very small chance of ever appearing in the main MCU.

I'm honestly still looking forward to Venom II and Morbius. I never had as much interest in Kraven as a kid and thought he'd fit better in the MCU with a Wakanda-storyline with the new BP and Storm. And with ATJ playing him, it's pretty much confirmed he'll never walk into the MCU.

I mean there's a difference between playing a sidekick to the main villain covered in blue facepaint and then playing a lead character in an ensemble-movie, but with your natural skin complexion - and being Quicksilver in an Avengers-movie, that has an heroic death, and then playing an iconic villain. Same with Oscar Isaac and MoonKnight. Yes he played Apocalyps, but he was covered in prosthetics (and the FoxMen-Verse is pretty much dead anyway). The only weird thing there is that MoonKnight also has Egyptian roots.
Yeah I find that Marvel will not make very obvious recasting unless the appearances show some type of unrecognizable features between the role of the same actors... let's take a look at some of Sony/Fox/MCU and same actor with different roles Marvel movies/series...

Alfre Woodard > Black Mariah on Luke Cage & Mariah Sharpe in Captain America: Civil War

Gemma Chan > Doctor Minerva on Captain America & Sersi on Eternals

Chris Evans > Human Torch on Fantastic Four & Captain America on Avengers

Michael B Jordan > Human Torch on Fantastic Four [reboot] & Killmonger in Black Panther

And I'm not even gonna go there with Evan Peters though...
 

Zoruagible

Lover of underrated characters
I still haven’t watched Loki or Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I’ll get on that eventually. In the meantime, Black Widow next week.
You should definitely watch Loki, each ending has you hooked on what happens next! It may not be THE Loki but they still make you care for him

I can't wait for this week's episode
 
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