Mature thematics.

[Seijiro Mafuné]

I'm not asking you whether you'd read mature stuff. What I'm about to ask you is this: What mature stuff would click on the Pokémon-verse? Interspecies coupling? Capture of half-breeds? Natural selection and its effects?

If you don't get it... you will. Very soon.

 

[The Great Butler]

Anything goes, really. Just as long as you properly rate it. If it needs an R rating, I would much rather take the rating then get my work deleted (and my accont possibly banned)

 

[Seiryu]

So long as it's not lemony, I'd be perfectly fine. But then again, I don't recall lemons being allowed on this site, so I don't think I'd have to be too worried.

What I tend to go most for, however, would be interspecies romances. I mean, you'd think so since that'll be a fairly constant theme in my fanfic series, at least as far as the two main characters go...

 

[Selestius]

I would love to see some more mature arts of writing in this forum, so I am all for it. I say you should write the mature Fan-Fiction, so long as it doesn't interfere and go against the Forum's Rules.

 

[Keleri]

I tend to stay away from R-rated 'fics because they always seem to be thinly-disguised lemons, pointless gorefests, an excuse to use a lot of four-letter words or an opportunity for something REALLY HORRIBLE OMGZ to happen to the Sue--I mean, main character--which is usually followed by teh omg healing LURVE of the Sue's love interest, in true persecution-wish fullfilment-fantasy style.

I prefer 'fics that are "mature" in a tasteful way--not in-your-face violent, profane or sexual, but hidden behind puns, references, clever euphemisms and double-entendres. Terry Pratchett is a master of this. Personally, I think it is a lot more effective to say something like, "he tried not to look down; there had been a lot of nervous animals through here, and the road was, as it were, paved with nervousness" (yes, I just read through Feet of Clay again, shush now) than to state the exact nature of the excreta involved. Hem, hem.

(Which isn't to say there isn't a place for bluntness. There IS, I just prefer it outside of narration and dialogue unless the character involved is characterized by being blunt.)

And another thing I've noticed is that it can actually be more effective to allude to something bad happening, (and to be vague about it, but then to hint at how bad it really was by how the characters speak about it), than to just come out and say OMGZ I WAS RAPED, HEALING SEXXORZ PLZ.


...So anyway, I think anything really goes--and if you want to write lemons, even, there are websites for that--although I am curious as to what you meant by "natural selection and its effects".

 

[PDL]

although I am curious as to what you meant by "natural selection and its effects".

I think he's going for a bit of realism that happens in the natural world.

Pokemon is often portrayed as being in the realm of science (hence why we have professors instead of say wizards.). However, the pokemon world is usually shown as a fantasy world where everyone and everything is happy and sweet.

The real natural world couldn't be further from that.

animals do things that are gruesome, disgusting, and sometimes downright morally wrong in human society, like child genocide when a new male becomes the leader of a group or something. They have no human concept of what is "right" and "wrong", they just behave that way to insure their survival and to pass their genes to the next generation.

 

[Lady Myuu]

I loove writing pokemonxhuman pairings, of course I have set limits to what would be possible. I am not going to write about a pikachuxhuman or something impossible like that.

I'm not sure it would be mature unless it had well what mature is seen as now days (though I don't agree with our rating system in movies. While I loooved Ice age 2 they snuck WAY TO MANY 'cuss' words into it for a PG film.)

Lemons? << >> I've wrote my share and backed off deciding it wasn't me. I sometimes involve rape or sex in a story but not in detial and yes I have used it as a plot device and as character devolpment.

In my next story it will be R for mature themes.

What is wrong with R? Well like Keleri said, people sometimes use it to just well, right crap. Sue crap that happens to the Sue and recovery. I've seen very few actually good R stories. Hopefully mine will be one of the good ones.

Though if everyone wrote with realism to our world. GAAH @.@ I like a little fantasy to take me away from real life.

I will read R but only if its well written and not crud

 

[Kiyohime]

I've done mature stuff, but only pertaining towards a person's sexuality and violence (tasteful violence, I hope ) but I would be HIGHLY interested if you wrote something dealing with a Pokemon-Human relationship--we don't see many of those here. While I would flinch at a human with say...a Vulpix (I've actually seen that before) I could see something like a Machoke, Blaziken, or Jynx working out. I say go for it...I'd be interested in reading what you write.

 

[Seijiro Mafuné]

*takes out Gunstar Force gun* *puts on Gunstar Defense armor* Don't worry, this is just... 'precaution'. The fic is already done, although not complete, and at the point this post was made (but not later), on the second page.

As for how this is going, well... there are reasons for the multiple ratings. (By the way, if lemons aren't allowed, then I don't get why certain fics are still here.)

But I'm not going for that brand of realism, since that one is more from a Pokémon's PoV, and, well, someone's already doing it. But I think you'll like it... hopefully you won't, so I don't have to try and please you.

[SPOIL]Two last notes:
1-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
2-In case you're a certain someone who probably doesn't know why this is here... FORCE LIGHTNING! *shoots*[/SPOIL]

 

[pokeplayer984]

Well, lemons are allowed. However, there are a few rules to them when writing them and posting them.

1. They MUST be written in a professional matter.

2. A Mod MUST review it AND confirm it okay to post.

3. If confirmed, you MUST put in your post who confirmed it.

4. You MUST put in a warning that the fic contains descriptive sex.

5. They MUST be written tastefully. (The ones that mainly succeed have sex being done in a humorous way.)

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Those are pretty much the rules, and they MUST be followed.

Failure to follow them usually results in removement of fic. Continued failure to follow them results in banishment.

 

[Dragonfree]

*shrugs* I'd say you can put in whatever crap you want that is necessary to the story, no matter what it does to the fic's rating, but if it isn't necessary, just don't. Stuff like the amount of violence/blood you use in Pokémon battles or whatever is more a matter of personal preference, but when it comes to whether to include or not to include a whole scene of sex or whatever, the rule should be "Is this important to the story? Is it important that the reader gets to know the details, or do they just need to know it happened?"

 

[not_awake]

Yes, recall that risque behaviours does not maturity make. The point has been expressed, but why not drive it in further?

As I've read the first chapter of your fic, I'll say this: I won't continue reading it due to my personal perspective. I picked up on the inter-species undertones enough to know where it was heading and that's just not my thing. However, it might be of some use to you to know why I feel this way. Why would I trudge on in the face of violence and gore, but not this?

Well, it's got a lot to do with social taboos. Violence and gore are present in the mass media, in both entertainment and news. To see these things in a fic doesn't mean I'm exposed to something new. This also taps into the reason a little man/monster love seems to set off so many. It is something strange and different, something taboo.

At it's core person/poke relations seem (to me) tantamount to beastiality. Why? Well, to me Pokemon are no more than animals. You may anthropomorphize a character, but it retains that fact that it was once an animal. (A duck is a duck is a duck, even if it's Donald Duck.) Is it still an animal? Technically no, but it's close enough that it sets off that alarm in my head. Something in my mind says, "Whoa, we're headed in a bad direction."

But let's step back a moment, away from my emotional gut reaction, and examine where some people might enjoy this fic. To me Pokemon are just animals. However, to others they are small sentient beings. This distinction makes for a world of difference. After all, no one complained when Cpt. Kirk of Star Trek bedded alien women though they were quite clearly outside his species. However, they possessed more human traits than not. If a thing is given enough human characterstics it overcomes that barrier of strangeness.

For your fic to succeed, you'll have to do one of two things: tap into the market that doesn't have that internal alarm set so high; or create a convincing character that overcomes the strangeness of species to become in essence a human character. I highly recommend the second as you'll gain more readers outside that niche. However, it relies on your strength as a writer to do so.

 

[Seijiro Mafuné]

Well, at least you read it. Although I'd suggest you at least read chapter two once posted, since it's the last 'safe haven' before things get really started. But eh, I can't force you.

Still, you people and your oddities...

 

[Act]

I agree with parts of what everyone has said.

Most people write R things and things such as human-pokemon relationships to be OMGcool or risque, and, IMO, that's a silly thing to do, and the fic won't turn out well, and you'll look stupid. More often than not, a sex scene isn't in any way necessary to a fic. Like Keleri said, implied stuff is often just a better route to take. You could take it out, and life will go on.

That said, I really find the idea of human-pokemon relationships interesting. *pokes her fic* I didn't know anyone else did o.o;;

If you think about it, ledgendary pokemon can assume hman form... so would it be so farfetched for one to have a fling with or-- OMGtaboo-- fall in love with a human? When you get down to lesser pokemon like pikachu or rattata, I agree with not_awake that they are, in fact, just animals, and it's really sort of weird to see something with a eevee mother and a human father (which I've seen, and the fic sucked). But for pokemon like the ledgendaries, or humanshape ones, I guess the question comes up: Could they be considered a type of human? If you want to get into the science of it, it's have to be true for them to be able to breed in the first place.

I've always thought about that *shrug* and even moreso as I've gotten deeper into my fic.

But like I said, there's two ways to do it: the way in which you glorify the sex because it's OMGseckss!!!1one, and the way in which you glorify the relationship (and character development). The latter is much more appealing to me. *shrugagain* And like I said, is it fundamental to the fic to do a whole scene, or will life go on if you just allude to it?

Anyway, the context of the question sort of offsets me. I love the humanxpokemon genre, but I hate the way people try to do it. Trying to push the limits and write as gruesome and explicit a fic as you can possibly isn't too... good, IMO. It's like the difference between artistic nudity, which is totally cool by me, and some kind of porno. I know there are people who like lemon-lime, and to each their own, but here lies my opinion.

*shrugagainagain*

 

[Seijiro Mafuné]

...why are people talking only about the interspecies relationship? Why don't they talk about the other things that are as mindblowing as it?

 

[Act]

..why are people talking only about the interspecies relationship? Why don't they talk about the other things that are as mindblowing as it?

Hm, let's see... of the four things mentioned in your first post, three of them had to do with that. ;; What other things did you want us to pull out of the air? Natural selection is a vague, vague thing... especially in this fandom where canonically, there isn't any. Not that there can't be, but canon seems to resitrict our thinking in this fandom.

 

[PDL]

If you think about it, ledgendary pokemon can assume hman form...

when did they have the power to do that? the only ones I can think of are the Latis

anyway, about Human-pokemorph relations... personally, I don't like it because it's a step or two away from the furry culture, and those people can be batshit insane.

Plus there's very little cannoncial evidence to support the existence of them.

although I wouldn't mind fics about unrequenited love between a pokemon and human... but it'd have to be written properly and tastefully.

 

[Act]

when did they have the power to do that? the only ones I can think of are the Latis

Isn't it a psychic thing? I thought Bianca generalized when she mentioned that it wasn't her Ash had been running into, but Latias. And either way, wouldn't it make sense...? What makes Lati@s so special (it is the same types as lugia, after all)?

And then there's that whole theory about how ho-oh is Ash's father...

Plus there's very little cannoncial evidence to support the existence of them.

There's also very little canonical evidence to support the existence of canon, in many cases.

 

[not_awake]

In regards to natural selection... well, it's not so offensive, because as its name states it's natural. Sure, you may be able to offend some religous types if you start to explore Darwinian concepts, but that would require a massive time frame that just isn't achievable here. People tend to be offended more by the thought of our evolutionary ancestors than the idea that a weak creature dies in a natural environment. Though, theoretically, you could explore the "unnatural" environment created by society and how it has rendered people or animals weak derivitives of their ancestors.

All in all, I'd say its hard to spin natural selection into something controversial outside of a religious context.

 

[PDL]

Isn't it a psychic thing? I thought Bianca generalized when she mentioned that it wasn't her Ash had been running into, but Latias. And either way, wouldn't it make sense...? What makes Lati@s so special (it is the same types as lugia, after all)?

well, the Latis supposedly have glass-like down that refracts light that can alter their appearance. However, I'm not sure weither this is supposed to be a psychic phenomeon, something entirely different or if it's just pokedex fodder material.

And then there's that whole theory about how ho-oh is Ash's father...

yes, but most people beleive that that particular theory is bull honky at best :\