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May 31st: SM77 - Kuchinashi's Grand Trial! The Awakening of Lugarugan!!

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Leonhart

Imagineer
Lugarugan's berserk tendencies have always irked me, so I'm not looking forward to watching him lose control of himself again. I'm just pleased that Kuchinashi is using Alolan Persian and Yamirami.
 

FrozTKnight

Will ORA ORA ORA you
I still don't understand why most people thought the Bersek Mode would be a one time thing when its part of Lycanroc's design in-game. It shows the color change when its angry, attacking and when using its special Z-Move.
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
Maybe this is the episode Ash finally realises Lycanroc's berserk behaviour is its battling spirit and then we can see Ash have better control over it to make use of it in the battle and he then doesn't have to calm it down to use it effectively.
 

Zariful

Well-Known Member
So if Tapu Bulu appears in this episode, it won’t be talking. So right now I could see Nanu giving Ash the Darkinium or the Lycanium Z. Still a bit sad that Ash didn’t get a Z Crystal from his trial. I guess Gladion could show off the Ghostium Z since his Umbreon knows Shadow Ball.
 

mehmeh1

Not thinking twice!
It really piss me off that the animation doesn't look lit at all in the preview. I think every Kahuna battle should be animated by Iwane or some of the best others animators. I just hate the animation from the first two Kahuna's battles.

Regarding the move "Tackle", the Pokémon won't just "not know" how to tackle an opponent. It doesn't make sense. Every Pokémon, in a sense or another, knows how to use Tackle. That's precisely why I think even being a simple attack, they should make some animation, such as cover the body in glow white or something, just like they did with Bite, that looks like a real move (and dark!).

I don't like this Lycanroc VS. Three Pokémon. We lost a great opportunity to see Nyaheat (I completely forgot his name in english) and Rowlet in action.
tbh, the hala fight was animated just fine, and the olivia fight's main problem in the first half was storyboarding
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
So right now I could see Nanu giving Ash the Darkinium or the Lycanium Z.
Maybe we could see the Rockium Z transform into the Lycanium Z like how Ash's Electrium Z transformed into the Pikashunium Z. Because of Nanu not specialising in Rock and the possibility of Tapu Bulu being too lazy to swap crystals.
 

Zariful

Well-Known Member
Maybe we could see the Rockium Z transform into the Lycanium Z like how Ash's Electrium Z transformed into the Pikashunium Z. Because of Nanu not specialising in Rock and the possibility of Tapu Bulu being too lazy to swap crystals.
I think that minimizes the uniqueness of the Pikashunium Z.
 

Master Pikachu 11

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Maybe we could see the Rockium Z transform into the Lycanium Z like how Ash's Electrium Z transformed into the Pikashunium Z. Because of Nanu not specialising in Rock and the possibility of Tapu Bulu being too lazy to swap crystals.

The evolving Z crystal only works for Pikashunium Z since it’s more unique and since Jessie was given a Mimikyium Z without it evolving from Fairium Z then there is no reason for Lycanroc’s Z move to evolve from Rockium.
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
Well the same purpose can be achieved if Ash got his Electrium Z and Pikashunium Z separately. But Jessie didn't get a Fairium Z before getting the Mimikium Z and if Ash gets the Lycanium Z separately then Continental Crush will very likely end up getting shafted like Breakneck Blitz in favour of Splintered Stormshards. But I can see why he will get it separately from the Rockium Z because it's not like his main Z-Crystal, which is the Electrium Z. Maybe Ash and Acerola find it lying somewhere before Ash's Grand Trial.
 

Dusk Mane Necrozma

Necrozma fused with Solgaleo
Well the same purpose can be achieved if Ash got his Electrium Z and Pikashunium Z separately. But Jessie didn't get a Fairium Z before getting the Mimikium Z and if Ash gets the Lycanium Z separately then Continental Crush will very likely end up getting shafted like Breakneck Blitz in favour of Splintered Stormshards. But I can see why he will get it separately from the Rockium Z because it's not like his main Z-Crystal, which is the Electrium Z. Maybe Ash and Acerola find it lying somewhere before Ash's Grand Trial.

@Mega Altaria - You do have a interesting Theory but what if Tapu Bulu meets Ash Ketchum before his Grand Trial with Kahuna Nanu and just give him the infamous Lycanium Z
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
@Mega Altaria - You do have a interesting Theory but what if Tapu Bulu meets Ash Ketchum before his Grand Trial with Kahuna Nanu and just give him the infamous Lycanium Z
I somehow doubt that will happen unless Nanu finds it as an interesting object in a walk and gives it to Ash because he has no use for it. I think Tapu Bulu will still most likely be asleep and not bother give Ash the Lycanium Z because of that.
 

lemoncatpower

Cynical Optimist
I somehow doubt that will happen unless Nanu finds it as an interesting object in a walk and gives it to Ash because he has no use for it. I think Tapu Bulu will still most likely be asleep and not bother give Ash the Lycanium Z because of that.
Agreed,
I don't really want Tapu Bulu to give Ash anything, he has no reason to what so ever. We already know he is ultra lazy and only helped Ash because he liked him, so that should be enough. not to mention that Ash just got three new moves for his pokemon in a row from Tapu basically. Well Electroweb wasnt directly, but it was around that time when Ash noticed pikachu's electroball acting weirdly.

I want that other tapus to do something a little different from the others, but they can all give upgrades. TapuKoko gives the z-crystal, tapu lele gave evolution, tapu bulu gives new moves, maybe the last tapu will give a new pokemon:O
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
Agreed,
I don't really want Tapu Bulu to give Ash anything, he has no reason to what so ever. We already know he is ultra lazy and only helped Ash because he liked him, so that should be enough. not to mention that Ash just got three new moves for his pokemon in a row from Tapu basically. Well Electroweb wasnt directly, but it was around that time when Ash noticed pikachu's electroball acting weirdly.

I want that other tapus to do something a little different from the others, but they can all give upgrades. TapuKoko gives the z-crystal, tapu lele gave evolution, tapu bulu gives new moves, maybe the last tapu will give a new pokemon:O
Yeah. I don't think Tapu Bulu will really need to appear in this episode to watch the Grand Trial. At least it has given the moves to power up Lycanroc and Rowlet, in which Lycanroc will surely make use of in this episode to show off its new power from the training with Tapu Bulu.
 

Master Pikachu 11

Well-Known Member
Well the same purpose can be achieved if Ash got his Electrium Z and Pikashunium Z separately. But Jessie didn't get a Fairium Z before getting the Mimikium Z and if Ash gets the Lycanium Z separately then Continental Crush will very likely end up getting shafted like Breakneck Blitz in favour of Splintered Stormshards. But I can see why he will get it separately from the Rockium Z because it's not like his main Z-Crystal, which is the Electrium Z. Maybe Ash and Acerola find it lying somewhere before Ash's Grand Trial.

But the thing is that Pikashunium Z was never going to be a separate from Electrium because Pikashunium is crystal that only Ash’s Pikachu and only his alone can use. No other Pikachu can use that move as it’s not like Pikanium. It’s the Ash Greninja of this season Lycanium is no different from all the other signature Z moves and just because Lycanroc is a different form then the other two doesn’t make it special. Lycanium allows all forms of Lycanroc to use the move and I highly doubt the anime will treat it any differently because it’s not as special as Pikashunium. If Rockium does end up like Breakneck then oh well, but it can eventually be shown again as long as Torracat doesn’t get Firium.
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
But the thing is that Pikashunium Z was never going to be a separate from Electrium because Pikashunium is crystal that only Ash’s Pikachu and only his alone can use. No other Pikachu can use that move as it’s not like Pikanium. It’s the Ash Greninja of this season Lycanium is no different from all the other signature Z moves and just because Lycanroc is a different form then the other two doesn’t make it special. Lycanium allows all forms of Lycanroc to use the move and I highly doubt the anime will treat it any differently because it’s not as special as Pikashunium. If Rockium does end up like Breakneck then oh well, but it can eventually be shown again as long as Torracat doesn’t get Firium.
But just because only Ash's Pikachu can use it doesn't mean it has to transform from the Electrium Z. It was never a thing in the games so I don't see a point for Ash to only have the Pikashunium Z by transformation. And I felt it was one of the most random moments in the anime. If the Rockium Z doesn't transform then I don't get what's so special about the transformation other than Pikachu being Ash's main Pokémon. But whether the Rockium Z transforms or not in this episode, I don't mind too much.
 
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Master Pikachu 11

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But just because only Ash's Pikachu can use it doesn't mean it has to transform from the Electrium Z. It was never a thing in the games so I don't see a point for Ash to only have the Pikashunium Z by transformation. And I felt it was one of the most random moments in the anime. If the Rockium Z doesn't transform then I don't get what's so special about the transformation other than Pikachu being Ash's main Pokémon. But whether the Rockium Z transforms or not in this episode, I don't mind too much.

That’s because the games didn’t want to bother having Pikashunium Z evolve from another crystal and they wanted the players to collect all the crystals without having to lose one of them due to the change. Again I would have considered and even believed in your theory but since Jessie was given Mimikyu’s Z crystal and Ilima won Eevee’s crystal in a battle and none of those crystals transformed from the original non signature Z Crystals then this pretty much tells me that Lycanium will not transform either because Mimikyu’s was also introduced in the new games and the Crystal is not made for just Dusk Lycanroc it was made for all the forms of Lycanroc to use. What makes Pikachu’s Z move special is that it’s not just a Pikachu Z move, it’s also a Z move for Ash which is why they call the crystal Pikashunium Z and it wouldn’t made sense for there to be a separate crystal because only one Pokémon and trainer can use it and no one else can. Which makes this crystal far more unique due to the fact that it deals with Ash and is move and both he and Pikachu made on their own.
 

Mega Altaria

☆~Shiny hunter▢~
That’s because the games didn’t want to bother having Pikashunium Z evolve from another crystal and they wanted the players to collect all the crystals without having to lose one of them due to the change. Again I would have considered and even believed in your theory but since Jessie was given Mimikyu’s Z crystal and Ilima won Eevee’s crystal in a battle and none of those crystals transformed from the original non signature Z Crystals then this pretty much tells me that Lycanium will not transform either because Mimikyu’s was also introduced in the new games and the Crystal is not made for just Dusk Lycanroc it was made for all the forms of Lycanroc to use. What makes Pikachu’s Z move special is that it’s not just a Pikachu Z move, it’s also a Z move for Ash which is why they call the crystal Pikashunium Z and it wouldn’t made sense for there to be a separate crystal because only one Pokémon and trainer can use it and no one else can. Which makes this crystal far more unique due to the fact that it deals with Ash and is move and both he and Pikachu made on their own.
I get that the Pikashunium Z is a one and only Z-Crystal that can only be used with Ash's Pikachu, which makes it very special, but that does not explain why it transforms from an Electrium Z in the anime, and this transformation only makes the Electrium Z Ash got from Tapu Koko more special. It can still be considered just as special even if it is separate from the Electrium Z for literally the same reason, so the fact that only Ash can use it shouldn't be a very good reason for the transformation. I guess it may have something to do more with the strong bond between Ash and Pikachu. While the Eevium Z and Mimikium Z weren't seen to transform from their base Z-Crystals, I can see it may as well be the case the Lycanium Z won't transform from the Rockium Z if Ash gets it in this episode.
 

lemoncatpower

Cynical Optimist
But just because only Ash's Pikachu can use it doesn't mean it has to transform from the Electrium Z. It was never a thing in the games so I don't see a point for Ash to only have the Pikashunium Z by transformation. And I felt it was one of the most random moments in the anime. If the Rockium Z doesn't transform then I don't get what's so special about the transformation other than Pikachu being Ash's main Pokémon. But whether the Rockium Z transforms or not in this episode, I don't mind too much.
The crystal was given to Ash by Tapu Koko, who I am going to take a guess and say TapuKoko completely knew that the z-crystal would react with Ash and Pikachu's bond and transform. I can't imagine why else Tapukoko would keep giving Ash a electrium-z when the Tapu's do not hand out z-crystals. That seems like the explaining factor behind the special z-crystal, so unless another Tapu shows up with a z-crystal to give to Ash or someone, I doubt any of the other z-crystals will have properties like Ash's electrium-z.
 
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